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Post #179,068
by deSitter
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10/13/04 9:13:40 AM
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New Nice facts
Unfortunately, facts are often the last thing that troubles an IT organization - if management cared about facts, then why do they allow Windows machines to come near sensitive data? What I'm saying is, you can't beat Windows with facts. You need perception on your side.
-drl
Post #179,110
by ben_tilly
10/13/04 1:00:10 PM
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New Didn't I ask you to cut out the unsupported opinions?
As you said, I presented nice facts. Very relevantly, what I presented are facts. You can blather all that you want about what needs to happen for Linux to succeed. The fact is that it already is succeeding.

Now it is true that there are a lot of dysfunctional organizations out there that will not get the message. Such is life. In every major technology change that has been the case. Many places and people won't get the message for the better part of a decade.

However the numbers indicate that Linux is achieving mindshare already. Perception may not be on Linux's side in all organizations, but it is in enough already for commercial success. Your contrary unsupported rants notwithstanding.

Unless you manage to present something resembling a fact, that ends this discussion for me.

Regards,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     Asked our UNIX SA to install vim on 11i box - (deSitter) - (33) - Oct. 12, 2004, 07:31:20 PM EDT
         You're confused - (pwhysall) - (1) - Oct. 12, 2004, 09:07:30 PM EDT
             And lo, Trevor proves my point - (deSitter) - Oct. 12, 2004, 09:13:42 PM EDT
         Re: Asked our UNIX SA to install vim on 11i box - (daemon) - (3) - Oct. 12, 2004, 09:11:25 PM EDT
             Re: Asked our UNIX SA to install vim on 11i box - (deSitter) - (2) - Oct. 12, 2004, 09:14:25 PM EDT
                 How much "support" does vim really need, anyway? - (jb4) - (1) - Oct. 13, 2004, 10:53:34 AM EDT
                     None, but what does that matter? - (deSitter) - Oct. 13, 2004, 10:55:38 AM EDT
         Amazing... - (ben_tilly) - (22) - Oct. 12, 2004, 09:35:43 PM EDT
             Re: Amazing... - (deSitter) - (5) - Oct. 12, 2004, 09:48:13 PM EDT
                 That was a simple statement of fact - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Oct. 12, 2004, 11:10:35 PM EDT
                     Programmers are often naive about group action in IT - (deSitter) - (3) - Oct. 12, 2004, 11:42:00 PM EDT
                         If only you'd provide me with facts to deal with - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 13, 2004, 01:02:06 AM EDT
                             Nice facts - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 13, 2004, 09:13:40 AM EDT
                                 Didn't I ask you to cut out the unsupported opinions? - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 13, 2004, 01:00:10 PM EDT
             Ditto - (admin) - (15) - Oct. 12, 2004, 10:04:26 PM EDT
                 And the largest place you've worked is? - (deSitter) - (12) - Oct. 12, 2004, 10:33:17 PM EDT
                     What does that have to do with anything? - (admin) - (11) - Oct. 12, 2004, 11:00:15 PM EDT
                         Everything - (deSitter) - (10) - Oct. 12, 2004, 11:37:01 PM EDT
                             Wrong. - (admin) - (9) - Oct. 12, 2004, 11:41:24 PM EDT
                                 Do banks count? No? -NT - (deSitter) - (8) - Oct. 12, 2004, 11:42:35 PM EDT
                                     Do you have a point? -NT - (admin) - Oct. 12, 2004, 11:43:31 PM EDT
                                     What? - (bepatient) - (3) - Oct. 12, 2004, 11:44:00 PM EDT
                                         Exactly - (deSitter) - (2) - Oct. 12, 2004, 11:45:26 PM EDT
                                             Er, duh? - (admin) - (1) - Oct. 12, 2004, 11:51:50 PM EDT
                                                 Re: Er, duh? - (deSitter) - Oct. 12, 2004, 11:58:35 PM EDT
                                     How about Morgan Stanley? - (folkert) - (2) - Oct. 13, 2004, 11:07:28 AM EDT
                                         This really needs to be broken out: Morgan Stanley on Linux. (new thread) - (folkert) - Oct. 13, 2004, 11:13:35 AM EDT
                                         Super, perceptions must be changing -NT - (deSitter) - Oct. 13, 2004, 11:23:12 AM EDT
                 Back in my SA days... - (lister) - (1) - Oct. 19, 2004, 03:37:38 PM EDT
                     DING, DING, DING!!! We have a winnah! -NT - (folkert) - Oct. 19, 2004, 07:10:55 PM EDT
         "prevailing attitude" - BS - (broomberg) - (3) - Oct. 12, 2004, 10:29:42 PM EDT
             K+R HP kernel compiler - (deSitter) - (2) - Oct. 12, 2004, 10:31:29 PM EDT
                 Oh that's just stupid - (broomberg) - (1) - Oct. 12, 2004, 11:11:52 PM EDT
                     It's a yob, ya know? :) -NT - (deSitter) - Oct. 12, 2004, 11:38:51 PM EDT

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