Post #178,217
10/7/04 11:49:13 AM
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In subsequent polling, it now looks like Cheney won slightly
[link|http://www.surveyusa.com/Scorecards/VPDebateWinnerLoserByRegion041006.pdf|http://www.surveyusa...yRegion041006.pdf]
I still think that it was a draw. But with lots of blood on the floor.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #178,221
10/7/04 11:59:58 AM
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That was my read...
..a pretty good slugfest that left both men bruised...but standing.
Pretty much a draw.
But pre-polling gave the advantage to Edwards...so maybe the fact that Cheney didn't >lose< turns a tie into a win for Dick.
Who knows. We'll figure it all out in a few weeks.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,222
10/7/04 12:00:09 PM
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Now that is spin.
I intentionally watched both debates on CSPAN to avoid the talking heads. I am biased, but I agree that it was largely a draw although I was personally heartened that some one, FINALLY, came close to calling the VP what he is: a lying, conniving bastard who unashamedly repeats the same lies over and over without regard to overwhelming evidence to the contrary - okay, Edwards didn't exactly say that, but he did call the Veep dishonest which, I guess, is as close as a Senator can get.
The next morning I watched several morning "news" programs and each, without exception, was extolling the virtues of Dick's performance; about how the Vice President "looked like a father telling his young, know-it-all son back fresh from college when he was wrong" and generally putting Edwards in his place. Now, you might ask why the big news corps would try to spin this into a Cheney victory. But, it shouldn't take too long for you to realize that Edwards made millions by winning large settlements from large corporations. That, um, might just make the Corp-News outlets a little biased, don't you think?
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,224
10/7/04 12:03:16 PM
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Who'd you watch, FOX?
I watched...and each program had a guy from both sides...and each guy from each side said their guy won.
Still makes it a tie in my book:-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,230
10/7/04 12:20:02 PM
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MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CNN and Imus.
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,235
10/7/04 12:33:36 PM
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Imus? Might as well stick with Fox :-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,242
10/7/04 12:48:50 PM
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I'd watch FOX, too.
But I can't stand blatant bias. I occasionally watch Imus on MSNBC because he seems to be popular and I try to stay aware of what my fellow countrymen are thinking. .... That is, um, when they are actually thinking. ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,245
10/7/04 12:56:58 PM
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No way!
He's great - calls Cheney "Porkchop" and "War criminal". Great guests, nice guy - runs a cancer ranch for sick kids.
-drl
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Post #178,249
10/7/04 1:15:18 PM
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I listen to Imus every morning.
But he's not impartial.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,251
10/7/04 1:38:21 PM
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Quack! Quack!
Heh - haven't listened to Imus in the Morning for years, but..
"I don't care if it rains or freezes
'Long as I got my plastic Jesus
riding on the dashboard of my car -
I can go 100 miles per hour
'Long as got the Almighty power
glued up next to my pair of fuzzy dice!"
He still do that schtick?
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #178,260
10/7/04 2:11:43 PM
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not for a while.
and though not a large fan of country..he gets some great new acts and gives them press...and he's a big blues fan...especiially [link|http://www.delbert.com/index2.htm|Delbert]
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,252
10/7/04 1:42:31 PM
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Why, indeed!
Well, you got this part right: But, it shouldn't take too long for you to realize that Edwards made millions by winning large settlements from large corporations. That, um, might just make the Corp-News outlets a little biased, don't you think? Indeed! But do not forget that it was this "administration" that attempted to legislate media monopoly control over the top markets in the US (helped along by the Secy of State's li'l brother). The Mejia have a vested interest in seeing Duh get re-elected, and anybody who doesn't think that this will translate into some biased"targetted" news coverage by said Mejia is...well,...BeeP! And I don't even think BeeP is that naive/foolish to believe that, either. Maybe Marlowe...jb4
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Post #178,257
10/7/04 2:07:02 PM
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:-D
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,261
10/7/04 2:13:14 PM
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Talk radio
is definitely right biased. Yes..even I know that.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,264
10/7/04 2:31:34 PM
10/7/04 2:36:17 PM
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What about the Corporate News Network (CNN)?
Definitely RW imNSho.
Edit: Subject - Sheesh.
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
Edited by mmoffitt
Oct. 7, 2004, 02:36:17 PM EDT
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Post #178,268
10/7/04 2:45:19 PM
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I don't think so.
less left than they used to be. But they haven't gone the other direction yet either.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,276
10/7/04 3:27:48 PM
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My brother calls it the Clinton News Network! :)
Alex
"If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." -- Philip K. Dick, US science fiction writer
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Post #178,293
10/7/04 5:05:18 PM
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Gah! You and I live in different worlds.
Here are some Left leaning news sources for you (so that you'll recognize a left leaning media outlet in the future):
[link|http://www.thenation.com|http://www.thenation.com]
[link|http://www.progressive.org|http://www.progressive.org]
[link|http://www.motherjones.com|http://www.motherjones.com]
HTH.
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,297
10/7/04 5:22:43 PM
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Don't doubt that.
As far left as you admit to being...not surprised that everything appears the opposite to you (:-p
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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