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Post #178,112 by deSitter 10/6/04 9:25:07 PM Reply	Debbiean I knew - I don't watch cartoons The personal truth is I don't give a fig about what Linux you run. The sad truth is, OSX has rendered Linux meaningless on the desktop, so the only target left is vendor UNIX, and it will probably fail there as well because of lack of tight software/hardware integration. Linux will have failed, not because it is inferior, but because many of its supporters are religious loons. -drl
Post #178,113 by ben_tilly 10/6/04 9:38:57 PM Reply	Care to define "success"? It looks to me like it is definitely succeeding by most reasonable measures. Its percentage of total server sales (measured in units or dollars) continues to show double-digit growth. That doesn't count the embedded market (where Linux is huge), the supercomputer market (where Linux dominates some niches) or the desktop market (where Linux is miniscule, but has some success stories). I don't know if Linux will ever succeed on the desktop. But in the other three it has established itself and hasn't topped out yet. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #178,144 by deSitter 10/7/04 3:56:57 AM Reply	Yes - dollars, pervasiveness, and trust At least that works in IT. Windows has dollars and pervasiveness but no trust. -drl
Post #178,202 by ben_tilly 10/7/04 11:09:24 AM Reply	Well in the server category... Over 20% of money spent on servers are on machines that come installed with Linux. And Linux still shows double-digit growth year on year. By units it does even better. It would be higher still if you counted desktop machines purchased that then had Linux installed and wound up as servers. So Linux represents real dollars. At that volume it will gain pervasiveness. I don't see signs of a big trust problem with Linux. What evidence do you have that Linux is about to fail? Wondering, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

which distro should I use - (daemon) - (91) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:05:06 PM EDT

Debian, duh :-) -NT - (pwhysall) - (3) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:06:33 PM EDT

No Mandrake Susie? -NT - (daemon) - (2) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:13:50 PM EDT

I used to use Mandrake. - (bepatient) - (1) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:21:59 PM EDT

Ill try both -NT - (daemon) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:52:35 PM EDT

128k? Really? Wow. -NT - (drewk) - (5) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:08:11 PM EDT

Time for a RAM disk! -NT - (admin) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:09:12 PM EDT

K M wtf difference :-) -NT - (daemon) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:12:08 PM EDT

He's sorry he doesn't have 768 GB like Joe. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:12:11 PM EDT

You have an entirely too comprehensive... - (pwhysall) - (1) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:13:05 PM EDT

Some things stick in my head, lots and lots doesn't. -NT - (Another Scott) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:14:37 PM EDT

Ummm, my standard answer. - (folkert) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:26:10 PM EDT

That was a doofus question... - (hnick) - (12) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:41:55 PM EDT

Are you saying that Debian is a religion? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (11) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:49:38 PM EDT

'round here it is... -NT - (hnick) - Oct. 6, 2004, 06:54:14 PM EDT

Re: Are you saying that Debian is a religion? - (daemon) - (6) - Oct. 6, 2004, 07:28:36 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (drewk) - Oct. 6, 2004, 07:36:34 PM EDT

That's a good summary of the state of proprietary software - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Oct. 6, 2004, 07:59:26 PM EDT

hmm I thought debian was an operating system :-) -NT - (daemon) - (3) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:01:24 PM EDT

No, it is more than an OS. - (folkert) - (2) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:07:15 PM EDT

Bullshit -NT - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:17:58 PM EDT

Okay, another... - (folkert) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:29:51 PM EDT

Yes, I would. I believe it is. - (folkert) - (2) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:05:34 PM EDT

I barf in your fans -NT - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:17:45 PM EDT

Take a minute - (folkert) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:28:36 PM EDT

SuSE - (deSitter) - (21) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:12:17 PM EDT

Trevor? thats fsckin out then -NT - (daemon) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:17:38 PM EDT

What are you a Troll? (new thread) - (folkert) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:20:34 PM EDT

Well, I'll give you partial credit - (folkert) - (8) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:26:23 PM EDT

To infinity and beyond! - (deSitter) - (7) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:35:03 PM EDT

Quaint. But fetid in taste. -NT - (folkert) - Oct. 6, 2004, 08:40:32 PM EDT

You know nothing but still mock it? - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Oct. 6, 2004, 09:20:23 PM EDT

never stopped anyone before :-) -NT - (daemon) - Oct. 6, 2004, 09:21:35 PM EDT

Debbiean I knew - I don't watch cartoons - (deSitter) - (3) - Oct. 6, 2004, 09:25:07 PM EDT

Care to define "success"? - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 6, 2004, 09:38:57 PM EDT

Yes - dollars, pervasiveness, and trust - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2004, 03:56:57 AM EDT

Well in the server category... - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 7, 2004, 11:09:24 AM EDT

You've got a nerve. (new thread) - (pwhysall) - Oct. 7, 2004, 01:59:31 AM EDT

Actually I agree - (drewk) - (8) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:40:12 AM EDT

Not to mention - (pwhysall) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:45:46 AM EDT

Thanks, my google-fu was lacking -NT - (drewk) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:56:14 AM EDT

Stupidity is boundless -NT - (deSitter) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:50:57 AM EDT

Best Version Ever - (pwhysall) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:52:30 AM EDT

Have you tried buying one of those by name? - (a6l6e6x) - (3) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:45:26 AM EDT

Have you ever tried to buy Woody? - (drewk) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2004, 11:01:01 AM EDT

I get offers to buy Woody in my Inbox every day... :/ -NT - (FuManChu) - Oct. 7, 2004, 11:09:43 AM EDT

Point: Don't use or complain about the Woody name. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Oct. 7, 2004, 11:22:48 AM EDT

I'll take a contrarian view - (broomberg) - (44) - Oct. 6, 2004, 09:50:41 PM EDT

why not recompile the kernel? - (daemon) - (43) - Oct. 6, 2004, 10:05:00 PM EDT

Nothing to do with sacrosanct - (broomberg) - (42) - Oct. 6, 2004, 10:12:27 PM EDT

Re: Nothing to do with sacrosanct - (daemon) - (2) - Oct. 6, 2004, 10:20:16 PM EDT

What the hell is that supposed to mean? - (broomberg) - (1) - Oct. 6, 2004, 10:37:52 PM EDT

Re: What the hell is that supposed to mean? - (daemon) - Oct. 7, 2004, 06:20:06 PM EDT

absurd - (deSitter) - (38) - Oct. 7, 2004, 03:26:59 AM EDT

Ahh, so maybe I get to learn something - (broomberg) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:08:24 AM EDT

Ok, sorry out of line to say "absurd" - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:24:14 AM EDT

You mean that he's the ONLY one? - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 7, 2004, 11:24:34 AM EDT

What's the cost-benefit analysis of such an exercise? - (pwhysall) - (34) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:11:50 AM EDT

Re: What's the cost-benefit analysis of such an exercise? - (deSitter) - (33) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:26:43 AM EDT

Feel free to answer the question. - (pwhysall) - (32) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:28:18 AM EDT

It's an attitude - (deSitter) - (31) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:36:08 AM EDT

Answer the question. -NT - (pwhysall) - Oct. 7, 2004, 08:38:42 AM EDT

As the duly appointed business "Linux" person - (broomberg) - (29) - Oct. 7, 2004, 09:05:41 AM EDT

Re: As the duly appointed business "Linux" person - (deSitter) - (28) - Oct. 7, 2004, 09:23:53 AM EDT

Stale libs? - (pwhysall) - (27) - Oct. 7, 2004, 09:24:43 AM EDT

Be more specific - (deSitter) - (26) - Oct. 7, 2004, 09:27:08 AM EDT

Scenario: You update using YaST. - (pwhysall) - (25) - Oct. 7, 2004, 09:31:16 AM EDT

? SuSE is RPM based - (deSitter) - (24) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:08:56 AM EDT

Answer the question. - (pwhysall) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:14:28 AM EDT

Not what he is asking. - (folkert) - (22) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:14:33 AM EDT

Re: Not what he is asking. - (deSitter) - (21) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:36:02 AM EDT

You are missing the POINT! - (folkert) - (20) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:57:08 AM EDT

So? - (deSitter) - (19) - Oct. 7, 2004, 09:05:43 PM EDT

Unless I'm missing something...... - (n3jja) - (18) - Oct. 7, 2004, 09:29:44 PM EDT

Re: Unless I'm missing something...... - (daemon) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:26:21 PM EDT

Did you read - (folkert) - Oct. 8, 2004, 09:55:30 AM EDT

Re: Unless I'm missing something...... - (deSitter) - (15) - Oct. 7, 2004, 10:47:15 PM EDT

Re Re Wind - (pwhysall) - (4) - Oct. 8, 2004, 03:23:23 AM EDT

Ok, that's nice - (deSitter) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2004, 06:11:54 AM EDT

Good luck with that. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2004, 07:37:50 AM EDT

Can I alter it for RPM? -NT - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 08:26:30 AM EDT

I dunno. Can you? - (pwhysall) - Oct. 8, 2004, 08:47:45 AM EDT

BTW.... - (folkert) - (6) - Oct. 8, 2004, 09:28:44 AM EDT

Always wondered: is the "L" silent as in "folk"? Guessing no -NT - (FuManChu) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 11:23:38 AM EDT

As in: - (folkert) - Oct. 8, 2004, 12:12:27 PM EDT

Re: BTW.... - (deSitter) - (3) - Oct. 8, 2004, 12:54:31 PM EDT

His so pissy what? - (pwhysall) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2004, 02:47:32 PM EDT

HEY!! - (n3jja) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 07:00:06 PM EDT

Yeah, you pasty skinned photon trap! -NT - (deSitter) - Oct. 8, 2004, 11:28:06 PM EDT

Okay then... another thing - (folkert) - (2) - Oct. 8, 2004, 09:37:29 AM EDT

Re: Okay then... another thing - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 8, 2004, 09:38:40 AM EDT

Eaxctly the point I was trying to make. - (folkert) - Oct. 8, 2004, 09:49:01 AM EDT

Those chicken wings are really spicy! Don't eat those!
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