Post #177,991
10/6/04 11:07:42 AM
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Not.
They haven't changed the message at all.
CNN spin is what that is.
Cheney hammered Kerry/Edwards on their senate records. Hammered them on raising taxes. Hammered them on politics of the polls.
All messages that have been part of the campaign from the beginning.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,000
10/6/04 11:51:13 AM
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We have a winnah!
Of the marlowe award for frothing.
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,002
10/6/04 11:53:33 AM
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Why don't you...
...challenge the facts of the statement made?
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,213
10/7/04 11:39:06 AM
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The "facts"????
Sorry, but, "Cheney hammered Kerry/Edwards on their senate records. Hammered them on raising taxes. Hammered them on politics of the polls."
"Hammered" is at best an opinion. Sheesh.
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,216
10/7/04 11:42:02 AM
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Ok...so you disagree on that word..
..challenge the assertion that CNN made that the campaign is "in a panic" and changing their message based upon that.
You can't.
So you spew this bullshit instead.
To be expected.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,218
10/7/04 11:52:25 AM
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You're still frothing....
...the assertion that CNN made... Did you read the article? Do you need to before knee-jerking to a conclusion? Or are you saying CNN == a poli-sci professor from Michigan State? bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,220
10/7/04 11:57:50 AM
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No I'm not.
They included the quote. Published the article. Its not froth bud. Or do you consider calling out CBS for rushing to judgement on the Bush stuff "frothing" as well?
I might have to call you on that word like you called me on "hammered"
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,223
10/7/04 12:01:38 PM
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And the fact that he changed his schedule?
That part of his normal plan all along? Like, when you say, "I meant to do that" when you screw up?
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,226
10/7/04 12:04:20 PM
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He's been to PA quite a bit.
Because the polls are close...and the Reps think they can actually win the state.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,231
10/7/04 12:21:57 PM
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Sorry, not where he was, what he said.
From the article emphasis mine: Bush's scowling and annoyed appearance in the debate was widely panned, prompting Bush's campaign to substitute the speech for a re-election event in Wilkes-Barre that was to focus on medical liability reform.
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,234
10/7/04 12:32:50 PM
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Did you listen to the speech?
ANd is it "panic" that would cause a change after the VP debate when they can reinforce the points that they were successful with the night before?
The spin is >panic<. You seem to believe it. Neato
I don't think so...one man's thought and a major networks carrying of that thought notwithstanding...that is politics as usual.
Panic would require a change of message. They might have changed the focus of the speech...but there has been no change in message.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,239
10/7/04 12:46:34 PM
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Know who really is in panic?
Me. Now that Gus Hall is gone, I really don't have anyone left to vote for. ;-)
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,243
10/7/04 12:49:32 PM
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Writing in Marty Brewster myself.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,305
10/7/04 5:49:46 PM
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sedulous/deer-headlights/panic____{sheesh}
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Post #178,308
10/7/04 5:55:27 PM
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Re: sedulous/deer-headlights/panic____{sheesh}
Anyone got a deAshtonizer? ;-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,324
10/7/04 6:41:30 PM
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s/deer-in-headlight/panic - W's inner-'mental' state, verily
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Post #178,250
10/7/04 1:35:33 PM
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Yellow Hankie!
Illegal Change of Subject! 5 yards and loss of momentum! It's now Second Down!
Beep, how 'bout for once you stick to the topic at hand, instead of wildly changing the subject when you have nothing else to answer with. The subject is a CNN article on the Cheney-Edwards debate. Do try to stay on target, OK?
The timekeepr will now start the clock....
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #178,259
10/7/04 2:08:50 PM
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no.
that was the discussion.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,217
10/7/04 11:49:13 AM
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In subsequent polling, it now looks like Cheney won slightly
[link|http://www.surveyusa.com/Scorecards/VPDebateWinnerLoserByRegion041006.pdf|http://www.surveyusa...yRegion041006.pdf]
I still think that it was a draw. But with lots of blood on the floor.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #178,221
10/7/04 11:59:58 AM
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That was my read...
..a pretty good slugfest that left both men bruised...but standing.
Pretty much a draw.
But pre-polling gave the advantage to Edwards...so maybe the fact that Cheney didn't >lose< turns a tie into a win for Dick.
Who knows. We'll figure it all out in a few weeks.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,222
10/7/04 12:00:09 PM
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Now that is spin.
I intentionally watched both debates on CSPAN to avoid the talking heads. I am biased, but I agree that it was largely a draw although I was personally heartened that some one, FINALLY, came close to calling the VP what he is: a lying, conniving bastard who unashamedly repeats the same lies over and over without regard to overwhelming evidence to the contrary - okay, Edwards didn't exactly say that, but he did call the Veep dishonest which, I guess, is as close as a Senator can get.
The next morning I watched several morning "news" programs and each, without exception, was extolling the virtues of Dick's performance; about how the Vice President "looked like a father telling his young, know-it-all son back fresh from college when he was wrong" and generally putting Edwards in his place. Now, you might ask why the big news corps would try to spin this into a Cheney victory. But, it shouldn't take too long for you to realize that Edwards made millions by winning large settlements from large corporations. That, um, might just make the Corp-News outlets a little biased, don't you think?
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,224
10/7/04 12:03:16 PM
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Who'd you watch, FOX?
I watched...and each program had a guy from both sides...and each guy from each side said their guy won.
Still makes it a tie in my book:-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,230
10/7/04 12:20:02 PM
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MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CNN and Imus.
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,235
10/7/04 12:33:36 PM
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Imus? Might as well stick with Fox :-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,242
10/7/04 12:48:50 PM
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I'd watch FOX, too.
But I can't stand blatant bias. I occasionally watch Imus on MSNBC because he seems to be popular and I try to stay aware of what my fellow countrymen are thinking. .... That is, um, when they are actually thinking. ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,245
10/7/04 12:56:58 PM
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No way!
He's great - calls Cheney "Porkchop" and "War criminal". Great guests, nice guy - runs a cancer ranch for sick kids.
-drl
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Post #178,249
10/7/04 1:15:18 PM
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I listen to Imus every morning.
But he's not impartial.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,251
10/7/04 1:38:21 PM
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Quack! Quack!
Heh - haven't listened to Imus in the Morning for years, but..
"I don't care if it rains or freezes
'Long as I got my plastic Jesus
riding on the dashboard of my car -
I can go 100 miles per hour
'Long as got the Almighty power
glued up next to my pair of fuzzy dice!"
He still do that schtick?
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #178,260
10/7/04 2:11:43 PM
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not for a while.
and though not a large fan of country..he gets some great new acts and gives them press...and he's a big blues fan...especiially [link|http://www.delbert.com/index2.htm|Delbert]
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,252
10/7/04 1:42:31 PM
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Why, indeed!
Well, you got this part right: But, it shouldn't take too long for you to realize that Edwards made millions by winning large settlements from large corporations. That, um, might just make the Corp-News outlets a little biased, don't you think? Indeed! But do not forget that it was this "administration" that attempted to legislate media monopoly control over the top markets in the US (helped along by the Secy of State's li'l brother). The Mejia have a vested interest in seeing Duh get re-elected, and anybody who doesn't think that this will translate into some biased"targetted" news coverage by said Mejia is...well,...BeeP! And I don't even think BeeP is that naive/foolish to believe that, either. Maybe Marlowe...jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #178,257
10/7/04 2:07:02 PM
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:-D
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,261
10/7/04 2:13:14 PM
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Talk radio
is definitely right biased. Yes..even I know that.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,264
10/7/04 2:31:34 PM
10/7/04 2:36:17 PM
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What about the Corporate News Network (CNN)?
Definitely RW imNSho.
Edit: Subject - Sheesh.
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
Edited by mmoffitt
Oct. 7, 2004, 02:36:17 PM EDT
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Post #178,268
10/7/04 2:45:19 PM
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I don't think so.
less left than they used to be. But they haven't gone the other direction yet either.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,276
10/7/04 3:27:48 PM
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My brother calls it the Clinton News Network! :)
Alex
"If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." -- Philip K. Dick, US science fiction writer
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Post #178,293
10/7/04 5:05:18 PM
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Gah! You and I live in different worlds.
Here are some Left leaning news sources for you (so that you'll recognize a left leaning media outlet in the future):
[link|http://www.thenation.com|http://www.thenation.com]
[link|http://www.progressive.org|http://www.progressive.org]
[link|http://www.motherjones.com|http://www.motherjones.com]
HTH.
bcnu,
Mikem
"The struggle for the emancipation of the working class is not between races or religions. It is one of class against class. Every trace of anti-Semitism, or any form of race hatred cannot assist the oppressed, it can on the contrary only aid the exploiters. Workers of all nationality, religion or creed must stand together against the common enemy: capitalism."
-Ted Grant
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Post #178,297
10/7/04 5:22:43 PM
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Don't doubt that.
As far left as you admit to being...not surprised that everything appears the opposite to you (:-p
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #178,039
10/6/04 5:37:46 PM
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Re: We have a winnah!
got yer prize here
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regards,
daemon
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Post #178,064
10/6/04 6:28:39 PM
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Remind me to get that in the mail to you.
You've narrowly beaten out DRL. Good job!
By the way, it's actually called the Brandioch award, in honor of one of my favorite lunatics. It's in the shape of a pitcher of beer, and bears the inscription "That Hitler fascist Bush stole the election!!!"
I was gonna inscribe with an Ashton quote, but he doesn't write in sound bites. Or even in subject-predicate pairs.
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Post #178,065
10/6/04 6:29:51 PM
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Splosh!
Peter
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