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New Paper insta-polls overwhelmingly favor Kerry
Even in ultra-conservative Atlanta, it's 65-35. In LA, 85-15. In SF, almost 90-10.

Of course this may mean that most internauts are not the morons who support Shrub. But it's a clear win for Kerry. Even Scarborough admits it.
-drl
New Early polls: Kerry wins debate, but no new votes
From the [link|http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=10352&cid=15&cname=Politics|National Business Review:]
Without exception, early polls sponsored by large news organisations in the United States have handed the overall victory in the first of three scheduled presidental race polls to challenger John Kerry.

The polls are all based on small samples and the results vary in percentages, but they strongly suggest that Senator Kerry was more successful in getting his message through than was incumbent president George W Bush.

The victory may not actually mean much when the next presidential preference polls come out, however, as the victory did not appear to move voters to the Kerry camp on the war and leadership issues most analysts believe will determine the race.

According to Gallup, for example, Senator Kerry took the debate by a whopping 16 percentage points, 53 per cent to 37 per cent.

More, 46 per cent of viewers said they felt more favorable toward Mr Kerry as a result of the debate, while just 13 per cent felt less favorable. By comparison, just 21 per cent of viewers felt more favorable toward Mr Bush, and 17 per cent felt less favorable.

But, Gallup said, post-debate viewers continued a pre-debate tendency to favor Mr Bush on who is better suited to handling the war in Iraq and serving as commander in chief. The poll results on those issues were little changed from opinions expressed before the debate. And a strong majority of viewers said it was Mr Bush who better demonstrated he is tough enough for the job.

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The Gallup results were echoed in other polls.

ABC News, for example, found that, in a random sample of 531 registered voters who watched the debate, 45 per cent called Mr Kerry the winner, 36 per cent said it was Mr Bush and 17 per cent called it a tie.

The ABC News poll found that among self-styled independent (non-affiliated) voters, Mr Kerry scored a 20 percentage point victory.

But, ABC said, Mr Bush's support was 50 per cent among viewers before the debate, and 51 per cent after it; Mr Kerry's, 46 per cent before, 47 per cent after.

New The last point is key
Who won the debate as a debate is irrelevant. It is all about who picked up votes. Bush doesn't care about winning a battle of words. He cares about projecting the image he wants, and giving people a sense that he "connected" with them. There are a lot of people who will vote for Bush based on that reaction.

Bush did that. On that level Kerry did reasonably well, but did not challenge the perception that Bush projected.

Cheers,
Ben
About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra
New You mean the image he projected in Farenheit 9/11
while having My Pet Goat read to him?

I saw an inarticulate deer in the headlights surface more than once in that debate. He looked weak and irresolute. His non-sequitur mechanical repetition of "you can't lead and send mixed messages" sound bite fell flat IMO.




That was lovely cheese.

     --Wallace, The Wrong Trousers
New Re: You mean the image he projected in Farenheit 9/11
The various grunts, snorts, ill-timed bursts of laughter, grimaces, etc. bespeak a mind in turmoil. This psycho has the "football".
-drl
New Time lag
The results of debates on general opinion generally don't show up until a half-week later, so say Monday.

This was such a clear win for Kerry that it can't help but generate a major bump. Most importantly, Bush was shown up as the tongue-tied, confused, nervous dissembler he really is.
-drl
     Paper insta-polls overwhelmingly favor Kerry - (deSitter) - (5)
         Early polls: Kerry wins debate, but no new votes - (johnu) - (4)
             The last point is key - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                 You mean the image he projected in Farenheit 9/11 - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                     Re: You mean the image he projected in Farenheit 9/11 - (deSitter)
             Time lag - (deSitter)

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