Post #176,884
9/28/04 7:50:15 PM
9/28/04 8:02:30 PM
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Okay, *now* I'm going to have to take it to work
Toolbar across the top is GNOME and all things Debian. Bottom toolbar is Windowx XP and all it's rankness. I can't wait to see the faces when they try to figure out HTF I did that. One question though: Toolbar across the top is GNOME and all things Debian ... So, now onto adding Debian to the machine. Ummm ... if it's not already on the machine, what's providing the Gnome toolbar? Oh, and uhh ... screenie? ===
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Edited by drewk
Sept. 28, 2004, 08:02:30 PM EDT
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Post #176,923
9/29/04 1:45:16 AM
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Screenies?
[link|http://www.gregfolkert.net/pics/screenshots/tn/scanner-driver1.png.html|scanner-driver1.png]
[link|http://www.gregfolkert.net/pics/screenshots/tn/scanner-driver2.png.html|scanner-driver2.png]
[link|http://www.gregfolkert.net/pics/screenshots/tn/scanner-driver3.png.html|scanner-driver3.png]
[link|http://www.gregfolkert.net/pics/screenshots/tn/scanner-driver4.png.html|scanner-driver4.png]
[link|http://www.gregfolkert.net/pics/screenshots/tn/scanner-driver5.png.html|scanner-driver5.png]
I used XDMCP to login to my workstation Duke.
You can do the same with your Debian Machine or even the Webserver (if it has *X* on it)
It is pretty easy. In a cygwin Bash prompt: man XWin
-- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwetheyNo matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
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Post #176,943
9/29/04 7:33:58 AM
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#2 is just so ... wrong
But cool. Cross-browser, cross-platform testing on the same screen. You have to write up the HOWTO. Or better yet, just post the screenies to Slashdot and offer to sell pre-configured boxes ...
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Post #176,971
9/29/04 9:55:23 AM
9/29/04 9:58:56 AM
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It involves Blackmagic and Fairy dust.
Nah, it is operating that same way *NIX X-Terms(thin clients) have operated for decades.
The only thing you have to change on the running Linux machine (a second machine to provide the Linux environment) is to enable XDMCP Requests (or broadcast as well) and then on the Windows Side is tell the XWin to query specific machine or listen to broadcasts.
It is just that simple. Hell, I am betting Mac OS-X can do it too... Maybe I should buy a MAC and get OS-X on it and give it a whirl. Maybe I could show three OSes and 26 or so different Browsers at the same time...
hmmm interesting.
P.S. Did ya notice anything about the name of the Windows Portion of the machine?
-- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwetheyNo matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Edited by folkert
Sept. 29, 2004, 09:58:56 AM EDT
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Post #176,977
9/29/04 10:39:53 AM
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Yes I did
Just so I understand, were those screenies showing applications all running on the same box? Or were some of the windows to apps running on a different box?
IOW what is the host system? It sounds like WinXP is the host, running Cygwin, and Debian is running under that? No, that doesn't sound right, because Cygwin is the X environment. So the Gnome toolbar and Debian login were on a different box? I had thought everything was running on one. Now that would be cool.
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Post #176,995
9/29/04 12:38:15 PM
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That ain't TOOO hard either.
VMWare does make that possible.
Yes, the Linux machine was another boxen.
BUT, you could have the co-operative kernel running and make it do that funky chicken dance, though it is fragile ATM. XFree does work (sort of) and you could give it ta similar look and feel.
-- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwetheyNo matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
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Post #177,013
9/29/04 1:32:25 PM
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Is that co-operative kernel *and* VMWare, or is that "or"
Does VMWare need the co-operative kernel to do that, and that is still unstable? Or are you saying the co-operative kernel allows you to do that without VMWare? When this can happen without VMWare, that will be cool™.
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Post #177,031
9/29/04 3:30:28 PM
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Okay... I talk in circles I guess.
VMware OR the co-operative Kernel
Right now there have been significan milestones reached with the cooperative Kernel project. Like I said, it isn't as stable as I'd like (therefore not wanting to support it) and can do alot of these things.
VMware makes it easy.
But, you can use your existing Linux machine as the source for your Linux stuff.. :)
Installing Cygwin/X can worky just fine.
P.S. This is the second post from the Linux Side of your machine, complete with Nvidia Drivers and everything. I call it "droogy"
-- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwetheyNo matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
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Post #177,041
9/29/04 4:28:12 PM
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Somewhere out there ...
... there's some total dork with a dual boot Linux/Windows machine, and the machine names are Annakin/Darth.
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Post #177,209
9/30/04 2:51:13 PM
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OK, that's new to me...
What's Mozilla Sunbird? There's an icon for it on your first screenshot.
~~~)-Steven----
"I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..."
General George S. Patton
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Post #177,211
9/30/04 2:52:38 PM
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GIYF
[link|http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird.html|http://www.mozilla.o...ndar/sunbird.html]
It's a calendar app. :)
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Post #177,454
10/2/04 12:45:38 AM
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Second Verse...
Not same as the first. Now, I have taken delight in doing things people say are tough or impossible. We have seen the results here before. I am told it just doesn;t work that way... and I prove people wrong. Well, now let us just say this: I have two(2) OSes on one(1) on one machine/hard drive. I can run either one Native, or either one in Virtual Mode. Easily. All it takes is adjust the screen resolution to the largest size on the Host OS. You see, it is hard to get Linux to change resolutions between the two... as well Windows Gobs it up to. Really the only problem between doing it is that. Oh, you want evidence? mkay. I have to admit last set were the combo of 2 machines. This set of screenies *IS* only one machine. I tried the cooperative kernel but Gads... it is like pulling petrified dinosaur dung left in mud footprints that have also turned into petrified mud. You might get it out, or you might completely destroy it. [link|http://www.gregfolkert.net/pics/screenshots/tn/scanner-driverA1.png.html|Number 1]
[link|http://www.gregfolkert.net/pics/screenshots/tn/scanner-driverA2.png.html|Number 2]
[link|http://www.gregfolkert.net/pics/screenshots/tn/scanner-driverA3.png.html|Number 3]
[link|http://www.gregfolkert.net/pics/screenshots/tn/scanner-driverA4.png.html|Number 4]
[link|http://www.gregfolkert.net/pics/screenshots/tn/scanner-driverA5.png.html|Number 5] Number 5 is Linux as host, WindowsXP using Cygwin X to login to droogy. There is no end to the fun that can be had. Any questions? -- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwetheyNo matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
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Post #177,459
10/2/04 2:48:43 AM
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{chortle} + {sighhh}
Class.. that which is never the Doze experience - but can be glimpsed even by those using stone knives & bearskins (long as you can at least peep a .png without Clippy helping).
Pity that cygwin et al remain hostage to the arbitrary meddlings of the Beast; can the future of such amalgamations be (realistically) a very lengthy one, in the face of $-driven entropy?
I grok just enough to imagine the config soup necessary to get there from here, fear that the average desktop shall remain as locked into maudlin shit like "My Network Places" (and 20% of all resources dedicated to constant virus, self-repair scans/scams) -- for a rilly long time.
(Nice glimpse of what a Billy-free enviro might have been like; sorta as if a Tom Paine had triumphed over the more commonly spawned Paul Joseph G\ufffdbbels/Roves ... in another milieu. Where Class has about vanished, too.)
ie Nice.
moi
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Post #177,476
10/2/04 11:35:01 AM
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Can you Twikify or HowTo this?
I would very much like to be able to run Win2K and Xandros (Debian-based) on the same desktop. If I'm reading you right, running them on the same hardware would normally require VMWare (or similar) or a special (fragile) Linux kernel. It sounds like, again if I'm reading you correctly, that you've got something like an enhanced VNC session working between the Linux and Winders boxes.
But in this post you are saying you've got them running on the same hardware by using WinXP and Cygwin/X.
I'm still having a little trouble understanding what you're doing. Is Cygwin/X a Linux kernel or simulated Linux distro that runs on top of Winders? I thought Cygwin was a package that let one run small apps, but wasn't able to run giant things like Gnome. I guess it can do that now. If Cygwin/X can do all of this, why would one want the cooperative kernel. So that Linux could be the host?
This sounds like a great solution to getting up to speed with Linux without having to jump in with both feet. What's the speed like? Can the Linux session talk to the hardware directly (for things like running scanners, etc.)?
Could you Twikify or go into a little more detail about what exactly you did to get this running?
Thanks a bunch.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #177,478
10/2/04 11:44:12 AM
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Re: Can you Twikify or HowTo this?
If I have it right:
Computer A is running Windows XP and has Cygwin with X installed.
Computer B is running Linux and gdm (the Gnome Display Manager - probably better known to you as the graphical login screen) is responding to XDMCP (X Display Manager Control Protocol) requests; this allows you to have the display somewhere other than the local machine.
On Computer A, Greg issues a command similar to "XWin.exe -query Computer B" which starts up the local X server (on Computer A). gdm responds and presents Greg with a login screen; the application (gdm) is running on Computer B, but the GUI is being displayed across the network on Computer B.
Clearer?
Peter
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Post #177,532
10/3/04 11:09:53 AM
10/3/04 11:10:43 AM
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Except that on the second set of
Screenies is all running on 1 machine at the same time.
Computer A is running WindowsXP and VMware running Linux (the native install vs a Virtual disk and such).
Cygwin is the running on the WindowsXP, VMware is running on WindowsXP and Linux is runing under VMware and has gdm ON. Cygwin Logs in using XDMCP to the VMware Linux and everything is executing on a single processor.
Now the last picture is Linux as the Host OS, VMware is running with WindowsXP Native install on a seperate profile (hardware profile) thnen it has cygwin requesting to the host os to login again. Thereby running the Linux apps on the Linux machine proper and Displaying on the Windows in Cygwin, running under VMware.
As Drook pointed out: Computer A == Windows, Computer B == Linux Under Windows VMware.
Except for the last one: Computer A == Linux Host, Computer B == Windows Under Linux VMware, requesting to the Computer A Host as a remote machine.
-- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwetheyNo matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Edited by folkert
Oct. 3, 2004, 11:10:43 AM EDT
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