It sounds like it's getting too hot.

Post #176,652 by Another Scott 9/27/04 11:41:49 PM Reply	It sounds like it's getting too hot. 74-75 C is very toasty. It shouldn't be that hot. Did any of the internal temperatures change with the new case fan? I would expect it to be a little cooler inside, but apparently it's not enough to make a difference. Can you remove the case and put a box fan by it? If it still locks up then you would know that it's not a problem that can be solved by increasing the airflow. At that point it might mean that some of the RAM has gone bad or something. If you could stress it without stressing the video and have it lock up (say doing a search for "a" then "the" then "is" in all files on the disk or something), then that might help you determine whether it was related to the video card without going through the hassle of installing a new card and drivers. The "sticky pad" stuff is probably a "phase change" material that is intended to insure a good thermal path between the CPU and the heat sink. It's usually recommended that it be replaced when its disturbed, IIRC. I'm a fan of heat-sink compound myself, but it is messy and you have to be careful not to use too much. Also check [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=74110\|this] thread - maybe something will ring a bell there. HTH a bit. Cheers, Scott.
Post #176,658 by Meerkat 9/28/04 12:12:45 AM Reply	Good find, that thread! I'd forgotten about it in the intervening year-and-a-bit. I already had 'BIOS Upgrade' and 'Try Knoppix to see if it's some weird Windows issue' on my to-do list, but after reading some of the temperatures other people were getting, a new heatsink/fan is on the shopping list. Or I'll just give up, swap it with my Duron 700, and see if he notices the difference :-) Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #176,662 by pwhysall 9/28/04 1:32:44 AM Reply	My Athlon XP 1800 runs at that temp all the time. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #176,683 by pwhysall 9/28/04 3:30:48 AM Reply	Addendum I did find a document back in the day (can't find it NOW, of course) that had the thermal limits for the XP1800. It's good up to about 90 degrees C(!). Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #176,710 by pwhysall 9/28/04 8:10:22 AM Reply	Got it. [link\|http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=3&q=http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/25175.pdf&e=7317\|http://www.google.co.../25175.pdf&e=7317] Chapter 6, page 23 (absolute page 35). Maximum die temperature 85 deg C. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #176,712 by deSitter 9/28/04 8:15:39 AM Reply	Re: Got it. Boiling point for nerd fat. -drl
Post #176,715 by Another Scott 9/28/04 8:37:39 AM Reply	Just because it can run at 90 C doesn't mean it's normal. Those are maximum on-die values and may not be the same as what the BIOS states (some recent motherboards have listed anomalously low temperatures). Cooler is better even if the CPU can take it - it increases the life of the chip. The fact that it's quitting indicates that it's not happy. :-) [link\|http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon-xp-2200.html\|This] page talks quite a bit about Athlon XP temperatures in comparison with the P4. [link\|http://www.cpuidle.de/\|CPUIdle] is some software that claims to reduce the CPU temperature by telling it to idle when it's not working. No idea if it works, but it might be worth trying. Cheers, Scott.
Post #176,716 by pwhysall 9/28/04 8:41:07 AM Reply	As noted... ...mine has been running at ~75C for over 2 years now. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #176,718 by Meerkat 9/28/04 8:44:44 AM Reply	Well the machine is now in my possession... and there's a long weekend coming up, so let's see what happens. Thanks for everyone's info and advice so far. Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.

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