Orion insists it isn't him

Post #176,207 by Nightowl 9/24/04 1:04:08 PM Reply	Orion insists it isn't him He says he uses a different ISP and a different software, he uses Knoppix not SuSE and he uses SWB. I don't know enough to verify it isn't him, but I'm trying to take him on faith. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #176,210 by ChrisR 9/24/04 1:19:05 PM Reply	Ultimately, it don't really matter I might suggest that Orion not post replies to any new user account, as it's likely to be suspicious, especially in the confines of the flame forum.
Post #176,212 by Nightowl 9/24/04 1:21:42 PM Reply	Great suggestion, Chris He said if anyone wants to talk to him about this mess, or anything else, they can come to IWT Yahoo and do it. [link\|http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iwethey\|http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iwethey] He also said Greg is welcome to check all the logs and routers, and he thinks they will vindicate him. That's up to Greg. Only other thing I can suggest is if he does come in here (he said he would try to stay away again for a little bit), and act crazy, maybe just ignore him. He really is trying, despite what anyone might believe, and the proof can be read in the Yahoo group. Catch you all later... good luck. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #176,211 by ben_tilly 9/24/04 1:19:27 PM Reply	Don't bother taking anything on faith If you want to be generous, mark it as an incident waiting for later confirmation or disproof. Don't make a big deal about it, but be very up front about how you'll react if you get direct evidence that he was lying. Given past history, I'd be inclined right now to not be generous. That is I'd assume at this point that he's probably lying. It is up to you how you would react to that. If that assumption turns out to be bad, then you can apologize later. My philosophy is that a trust that has been repeatedly broken should not be lightly given again. Ben About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra
Post #176,214 by Nightowl 9/24/04 1:25:18 PM 9/24/04 1:25:58 PM Reply	Correction, "on faith till proved otherwise" If you want to be generous, mark it as an incident waiting for later confirmation or disproof. Don't make a big deal about it, but be very up front about how you'll react if you get direct evidence that he was lying. That's more or less what I did Ben, I told him as of now, I don't see proof, but if I do, I'm gonna be upset. I didn't make a big deal, I hope. Given past history, I'd be inclined right now to not be generous. That is I'd assume at this point that he's probably lying. It is up to you how you would react to that. If that assumption turns out to be bad, then you can apologize later. True, but I've been watching him post in the Yahoo group, and I've been watching him improve there and in mine. I also know he got terribly upset last night from my Ex-fiance, and that may have unbalanced him some. But there is real evidence out there that he is trying hard. And I also feel kinda like I owe him a little, because he did warn me about my Ex's accusations. My philosophy is that a trust that has been repeatedly broken should not be lightly given again. And I agree. We haven't fixed the friendship Ben, as far as he is concerned, we still aren't "friends" in that sense, but we're still communicating, and obviously there is still a caring feeling on both sides, or he wouldn't have warned me last night. Have a good day. :) Brenda Edit: corrected subject line "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown). Edited by Nightowl Sept. 24, 2004, 01:25:58 PM EDT Expand All History

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