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You write:
"Point out any flaw in their perspectives/analysis that the US bombing WILL kill more innocents than the 9/11 tragedy and serves no real purpose."

Is this a competition? Bin Laden probably didn't hate any ONE person in the Trade Centers or the African embassies or the Kohl either. He disliked our country. And our country sure as hell should dislike the shit out of any country that harbors this man...

Serves no real purpose? And a life sentence does nothing to deter drug dealers or rapists? How about the death penalty? How about the good old-fashioned Mafioso blood vengeance? There has to be an "or else" established or every other Charlie Manson wannabe will come crawling out of their collective rocks to bomb the Eiffel Tower or the Louvre or Big Ben. You don't blow up buildings with civilian jets during peacetime and expect the nation to sit on its collective ass and "rationalize" with terrorists do you? How naive can you be?

Issue 2
What the CIA does is irrelevant at this point. Going forward, we need to get some kind of accountability for what they do. No problem with most of that issue as written. Should add that the CIA, KGB, etc... are all assholes and every country has them... They do serve a function though it's just not pretty or kind.

Issue 3
The Taliban are not a recognized government by the United Nations. Even the Arab League doesn't recognize them... at this point all the rest becomes irrelevant but I'll still bite. International law only applies to Governments who abide by international law. The Taliban do not. To defend a group with such a terrible civil rights record is asinine, that allows Al Quaida to train terrorists is ridiculous, and one that has done nothing to alleviate the suffering of it's own people... I'm at a total loss... What's to defend? I wish I were more eloquent but I'll leave it at that...


I have no problem with Socialism or Communism except that they haven't worked anywhere... They are merely more Utopian ideas that sound very good on paper... the devil is in the details. They deny a human beings fundamental biological need for territorialism. Soon, some animals are more equal than others... I'm not trying to insult you personally, but it's pretty hard not to load up on a statements like your last post. I commend you for trying to take an opposing view, but sometimes the majority is dead on right, as is the case now.
Note - edited to get rid of late night spelling errors...

Just a few thoughts,

Screamer

"I'll tip my hat to the new constitution, take a bow for the new revolution, smile and grin at the change all around, pick up my guitar and play, just like yesterday..."

P. Townshend

"Nietzsche has an S in it"
Celina Jones
Collapse Edited by screamer Nov. 9, 2001, 12:16:27 PM EST
Simple...
You write: "Point out any flaw in their perspectives/analysis that the US bombing WILL kill more innocents than the 9/11 tragedy and serves no real purpose." BULLSHIT! And who the hell cares? Is this a competition? Bin Laden probably didn't hate any ONE person in the Trade Centers or the African embassies or the Kohl either. He disliked our country. And our country sure as hell should dislike the shit out of any country that harbors this man... Serves no real purpose? And a life sentence does nothing to deter drug dealers or rapists? How about the death penalty? How about the good old fashioned Mafiosa blood vengeance? There has to be an "or else" established or every other Charlie Manson wannabe will come crawling out of their collective rocks to bomb the Eiffel Tower or the Louvre or Big Ben. You don't blow up buildings with civilian jets during peacetime and expect the nation to sit on it's collective as and "rationalize" with terrorists do you? How naive can you be? Issue 2 What the CIA does is irrelevent at this point. Going forward, we need to get some kind of accountability for what they do. No problem with most of that issue as written. Should add that the CIA, KGB, etc... are all assholes and every country has them... They do serve a function though. Issue 3 The Taliban are not a recognized government by the United Nations. Even the Arab League doesn't recognize them... at this point all the rest becomes irrelevent but I'll still bite. International law only applies to Governments who abide by international law. The Taliban do not. To defend a group with such terrible civil rights record is assinine, that allows Al Quaida to train terrorists is ridiculous, and one that has done nothing to alleviate the suffering of it's own people... I'm at a total loss... What's to defend? I wish I were more eloquent but I'll leave it at that... I have no problem with Socialism or Communism except that they haven't worked anywhere... They are merely more Utopian ideas that sound very good on paper... the devil is in the details. They deny a human beings fundamental biological need for terrorialism. Soon, some animals are more equal than others... I'm not trying to insult you personally, but it's pretty hard not to load up on a statements like your last post. I commend you for trying to take an opposing view, but sometimes the majority is dead on right, as is the case now.
Just a few thoughts, Screamer "I'll tip my hat to the new constitution, take a bow for the new revolution, smile and grin at the change all around, pick up my guitar and play, just like yesterday..." P. Townshend "Nietzsche has an S in it" Celina Jones
     Alternative views - (TTC) - (55)
         Thanks! Mother lode... and Molly Ivins too - - (Ashton)
         Re: Alternative views - (TTC) - (1)
             Fine link this one - (boxley)
         "Marginalized views" would be a more appropriate title. - (marlowe) - (51)
             The point you don't get... - (inthane-chan) - (50)
                 Close enough, Thane-san.. close enough. - (Ashton) - (49)
                     I'm not betting on it. - (Brandioch) - (47)
                         Just what would you suggest be done? - (screamer) - (46)
                             Covered in another thread. - (Brandioch) - (30)
                                 But when we try >that<... - (bepatient) - (28)
                                     No quarrel with that list - (Ashton)
                                     WTO? - (Brandioch) - (26)
                                         Exploitation vs. Protectionism - (ChrisR) - (23)
                                             Well said. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                             Develop local businesses. - (Brandioch) - (21)
                                                 Catch 22 - (bepatient) - (20)
                                                     Easy answer. - (Brandioch) - (19)
                                                         Re: Easy answer. - (bepatient) - (18)
                                                             Exploitation vs development. - (Brandioch) - (17)
                                                                 Re: Exploitation vs development. - (bepatient) - (16)
                                                                     Pattern recognition time, again.. - (Ashton) - (15)
                                                                         Keep up... - (bepatient) - (14)
                                                                             OK I think we have a platform here - (Ashton) - (8)
                                                                                 Wow... - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                     Yes, bad association: *The Nothing Party* it is! - (Ashton)
                                                                                 Re: OK I think we have a platform here - (TTC) - (5)
                                                                                     reread the treaty of the high seas - (boxley)
                                                                                     Correction... - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                         Re: Correction... - (TTC) - (2)
                                                                                             I don't think we're interested in "moral high ground" - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                                 Re: I don't think we're interested in "moral high ground" - (TTC)
                                                                             Re: Keep up... - (wharris2) - (3)
                                                                                 Great.... - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                                                     I was kind. - (wharris2) - (1)
                                                                                         Thanks -NT - (bepatient)
                                                                             point of order - (boxley)
                                         I think it's dangerous... - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                                             Thanks UK for the term, 'sticky wicket' :( -NT - (Ashton)
                                 You'll get no argument here... - (screamer)
                             Re: Just what would you suggest be done? - (TTC) - (4)
                                 Simple... - (screamer)
                                 Your country shrugs at massive civvy deaths ]:-> - (boxley) - (1)
                                     Right to Life, Bill.. Sacredness of Life. - (Ashton)
                                 Fundamental flaw here. - (Ashton)
                             You say that as if it were SO OBVIOUSLY a good thing. - (CRConrad) - (9)
                                 What are *you* babbling about? - (wharris2) - (1)
                                     Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot - (CRConrad)
                                 CRC - My European nemesis... - (screamer) - (6)
                                     "Quote just a tad further down in same post"? No effing fun! - (CRConrad) - (5)
                                         Stop it! Stop it! - (Ashton)
                                         Well Da was a shop steward UAW, Eddie Burns his left hand - (boxley) - (2)
                                             Why don't you go back where you came from :-) - (screamer) - (1)
                                                 workin on it :) -NT - (boxley)
                                         I'll raise your meese and ... - (screamer)
                     I'm not betting on it. - (Brandioch)

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