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New Re: Metaphysics wise
The problem is, the term "speed of light" is a misnomer. It's a parameter characteristic of the world (like Planck's constant) that happens to have the dimensions of a velocity. It's not really the speed of anything - light happens to go at that speed because it is massless. Any other massless thing will also go at that speed. And anything that goes at C, only goes at C - that is, can never be brought to rest.

Likewise, Planck's (reduced) constant has the dimensions of angular momentum, while not in itself being the angular momentum of anything in particular. It turns out that a measurement of angular momentum will always produce an integral multiple of 1/2 hbar.
-drl
New No...
It turns out that a measurement of angular momentum will always produce an integral multiple of 1/2 hbar.

Perhaps it should do that, but I have great confidence in the ability of your average student in a physics lab to actually get any (im)possible value when they actually try to do that measurement.

Cheers,
Ben
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New Re: No...
I had a friend who measured the refractive index of something and came up with 6! :)

Of course I meant "measurement" in the sense of the measurement problem, the "other half of quantum mechanics" that gives the formalism physical meaning.

And of course you can accurately measure the angular momentum of, say, [link|http://www.if.ufrgs.br/~betz/quantum/SGtext.htm|silver atoms].
-drl
New There are materials with negative refractive indexes.
Lots of weird things are being discovered these days.

[link|http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/16/5/3/1|Physics Web].

I think c will stand as a limit for a while though. :-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: There are materials with negative refractive indexes.
Neat, I'll have to look at that some more.

Just to close this issue - C is *not* a barrier or a limit or even the speed of anything in particular. It's a parameter that characterizes the actual world.

Note that Euclidean geometry has exactly such a parameter - but it is imaginary! That is, in relativistic geometry we can think of the equation

x^2 - (ct)^2 = 0

and factor this to

(x-ct)(x+ct) = 0

so either x/t = c or x/t = -c. The parameter then represents the relative scale of the space to the time axis.

Now, it turns out that metric geometry (with a Pythagorean-like theorem) is a special case of projective geometry, and that the special type of metric geometry (Euclidean or pseudo-Euclidean = relativistic) is determined by the equation for a "degenerate conic", which is one that looks like

x^2 + y^2 + ... = 0

Euclidean plane geometry is then characterized by the equation

x^2 + y^2 = 0

which can be factored into

(x+iy)(x-iy) = 0

The characteristic parameter of Euclidean geometry is i, the imaginary unit! The points x and y satisfying this equation are called the "circular points at infinity". So, in a sense, Euclidean geometry has a thing called "infinity" that is such that you can never get closer to it. This is exactly analogous to the parameter c in relativity, which has a speed that can never be attained. Thus

relativity = the light cone
Euclidean geometry = the points at infinity

-drl
New Well, if we can't speed up light....
...can we at least try to slow it down? :-)

(Methinks a cup of hot tea is needed to bring about the Improbability Drive.)
New That would be one of my favourite passages. :-)

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

     Where the hell is everybody? - (inthane-chan) - (43)
         Easy... - (admin)
         Light is slow. Universe is big. Catastrophes happen. - (Another Scott) - (2)
             Not if you believe Von Neumann - (ben_tilly)
             Looking for radio signals is probably futile. - (Andrew Grygus)
         Re: Where the hell is everybody? - (deSitter) - (2)
             So what's your answer? -NT - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                 Don't think it's a valid question at this point - (deSitter)
         Where? Well.. the Why has been done by Calvin & Hobbes - (Ashton)
         The speed of light is too low. - (static) - (24)
             It is clear the speed of light must be exceeded. - (Andrew Grygus) - (20)
                 Not a joke! -NT - (deSitter)
                 I believe and nearly always have... - (folkert) - (10)
                     The problem with C is that it's a hard limit. -NT - (pwhysall)
                     I don't think we'll ever exceed C myself. - (inthane-chan) - (5)
                         OT: What's C++ all about, then? :) -NT - (Meerkat) - (4)
                             :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                             Demonstrating that you can't - (ben_tilly)
                             Hmmm - (imric)
                             Simple - (admin)
                     Re: I believe and nearly always have... - (deSitter)
                     There is no evidence that they affect each other - (ben_tilly)
                     Replying to my own... to address the others. - (folkert)
                 Metaphysics wise - (ChrisR) - (7)
                     Re: Metaphysics wise - (deSitter) - (6)
                         No... - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                             Re: No... - (deSitter) - (2)
                                 There are materials with negative refractive indexes. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                     Re: There are materials with negative refractive indexes. - (deSitter)
                         Well, if we can't speed up light.... - (ChrisR) - (1)
                             That would be one of my favourite passages. :-) -NT - (static)
             It's not the getting there, it's slowing down enough to look - (drewk) - (1)
                 Right - (deSitter)
             Re: The speed of light is too low. - (deSitter)
         Space is big. - (pwhysall) - (5)
             I believe the technical term for it is ... hyarge -NT - (drewk)
             Not so big - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                 Question about that theory - (drewk) - (1)
                     The latter - (ben_tilly)
             I thought it was a long way to the chemists. But that's - (Meerkat)
         Don't know enough - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
             Re: Don't know enough - (deSitter)
         Might like some MMORPGs - (Meerkat) - (1)
             Your .sig is oddly appropriate. :) -NT - (inthane-chan)

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