This is pure bull

Post #173,653 by Arkadiy 9/11/04 12:38:12 AM 9/11/04 12:38:22 AM Reply	This is pure bull Proportional vs. monospaced is a strawman. Yes there were proportional fonts available. It does not explain why a Word document matches so closely. Unless someone can produce similarly close match w/o the use of Word (I'd even allow the use of any other computer software, or, of course, any mechanical device), the document stays fake. Another thing that shuld be easy to verify: was superscript "th" common in other documents by the same author? There should be quite a volume of paperwork filed away by the Air Force NG from that time. Still another thing: we have a senior officer, presumably throughly skilled in navigating bureacracy. At least skilled enough to file a CYA memo. DOes the wording of memo match such skill? Would somebody who realizes he is on the pull minefield title the document that's supposed to save him later "CYA"? Mr. Roomberg could you chime in? (edit: misspelled name) -- ... a reference to Presidente Arbusto. -- [link\|http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001417.html\|Geoffrey K. Pullum] Edited by Arkadiy Sept. 11, 2004, 12:38:22 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #173,667 by boxley 9/11/04 9:09:14 AM Reply	dumb question if I was writing a word processing program, would I want it to have at least the capabilities of the typewriter I wanted to replace? thanx, bill These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #173,676 by broomberg 9/11/04 9:51:47 AM Reply	Ahh Haven't read it. OK, I'll go look.
Post #173,677 by broomberg 9/11/04 10:05:22 AM Reply	Nope, not good CYA Looking here, at the comparative screenshots: [link\|http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12526_Bush_Guard_Documents-_Forged\|http://littlegreenfo...Documents-_Forged] He admitted to wrong doing with very little pushing. No one threatened him directly. He "backdated" since it was the expedient thing to do, while claiming moral highground by not rating? Feels wrong. There is nothing that would save this person from charges if it was found later, and admits too much. Add the typeface, kerning, word breaks, superscript issues (remember, I'm in junk mail). It is VERY difficult to match original text layout when reproducing it on the computer. We might spend hours on a single paragraph if it really needs to be done. It rarely does. If they need the EXACT text/layout, we use a graphics of the original, rather than try to create it ourselves. If this person REALLY duplicated using word defaults, then it seals it. Fake. Do the test yourself. I'm not going to bother.
Post #173,680 by broomberg 9/11/04 10:15:13 AM Reply	Manual typewriters don't kern. But I don't see any kerning in either of these shots.
Post #173,681 by broomberg 9/11/04 10:20:31 AM Reply	On the other hand, the upshifted "th" will not be shown on the screen, as he said. Not sure what happens when it is printed. Easy enough to physically cut and paste to move it up.
Post #173,688 by Simon_Jester 9/11/04 11:22:42 AM Reply	Kerning wasn't added and it's off by default in Word
Post #173,693 by Arkadiy 9/11/04 12:12:50 PM Reply	You're right -- ... a reference to Presidente Arbusto. -- [link\|http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001417.html\|Geoffrey K. Pullum]
Post #173,692 by Arkadiy 9/11/04 12:10:46 PM Reply	I did. [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=173598\|Post #173598] -- ... a reference to Presidente Arbusto. -- [link\|http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001417.html\|Geoffrey K. Pullum]
Post #173,996 by Arkadiy 9/13/04 5:44:59 PM Reply	IBM Selectric Composer Somebody tried.... [link\|http://shapeofdays.typepad.com/the_shape_of_days/2004/09/the_ibm_selectr.html\|http://shapeofdays.t..._ibm_selectr.html] -- ... a reference to Presidente Arbusto. -- [link\|http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001417.html\|Geoffrey K. Pullum]
Post #174,004 by Another Scott 9/13/04 6:05:20 PM Reply	Thanks.
Post #174,017 by deSitter 9/13/04 8:41:33 PM Reply	Wow It's remarkable that the kerning is so similar - I'd say identical with some variation allowed for operation of the device. Did Microsoft just steal the algorithm, or perhaps use a well-known one? After all it's a fairly simple problem depsite its complex appearence. -drl
Post #174,021 by Another Scott 9/13/04 9:08:59 PM Reply	The Story of Times (New) Roman By [link\|http://www.truetype.demon.co.uk/articles/times.htm\|Charles Bigelow]. Info on TrueType is on that site too, [link\|http://www.truetype.demon.co.uk/tthist.htm\|A History of TrueType]. They're good reads. Cheers, Scott.
Post #174,025 by Nightowl 9/13/04 9:27:20 PM Reply	Thanks, very entertaining and informational! All that fuss over a font! Heheh! All I know is that I like Times New Roman best when writing standard Word documents. Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #174,032 by Another Scott 9/13/04 9:55:49 PM Reply	New Century Schoolbook is the One True Font! 60 kB .gifs. (new thread) Created as new thread #174031 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=174031\|New Century Schoolbook is the One True Font! 60 kB .gifs.]

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