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Post #173,567 by Arkadiy 9/10/04 2:10:47 PM Reply	I don't have a point, but LGF does You saw two bitmaps superimposed. One comes from Word, another from an electro-mechanical device 30 years ago, through xerox and fax. What are the odds that the bitmaps will align the way they do? The letter shapes are same, the kerning is same, the line distance are same, word spacing is same. Unless someone can point a direct engineering path from IBM Selectic to Word kerning algorithms and Times New Roman font, I am convinced that's forgery. -- ... a reference to Presidente Arbusto. -- [link\|http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001417.html\|Geoffrey K. Pullum]
Post #173,575 by deSitter 9/10/04 2:34:03 PM Reply	Re: I don't have a point, but LGF does I trust you - I don't trust Wers. -drl
Post #173,598 by Arkadiy 9/10/04 5:08:55 PM Reply	OK, I did what he did Our office closed early today so I figured, what the heck... Cut and pasted from his Word doc to my own, pasted as plain text, so I only had default formatting. Took a screenshot of Word doc. Took a screenshot of PDF memo from CBS site. Using Adobe Photoshop Elements, reduced the Word screenshot to red outline. Overlayed the red outline over the PDF screenshot. Positioned and stretched until I achieved the following result: [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/pub/Main/OpenForum/bushMemo.gif\|http://twiki.iwethey...orum/bushMemo.gif] (Whoever maintains tWiki - I screwwd up and saved a 700K .psd file of the same thing. I don't know how to remove it. Could you do that?) -- ... a reference to Presidente Arbusto. -- [link\|http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001417.html\|Geoffrey K. Pullum]
Post #173,602 by deSitter 9/10/04 5:43:56 PM Reply	Nice! I'd say that was conclusive. Now to find out the history of these documents. Note that you DO have to reset the margins and switch to 12 point type - nevertheless... Good work. -drl

About those Killian docs.. - (deSitter) - (44) - Sept. 10, 2004, 04:33:14 AM EDT

Nice try, but not nearly good enough - (marlowe) - (16) - Sept. 10, 2004, 12:16:28 PM EDT

Re: Nice try, but not nearly good enough - (deSitter) - Sept. 10, 2004, 12:19:38 PM EDT

Try again, but research first - (xtensive) - (14) - Sept. 10, 2004, 01:13:53 PM EDT

Eh? Selectric is not the same as Executive. -NT - (Another Scott) - (8) - Sept. 10, 2004, 01:22:18 PM EDT

Not saying they are... - (xtensive) - (1) - Sept. 10, 2004, 01:29:49 PM EDT

Okie Dokie. -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 10, 2004, 01:33:50 PM EDT

Key caps - (deSitter) - (5) - Sept. 10, 2004, 01:38:14 PM EDT

Re: Key caps - (xtensive) - (4) - Sept. 10, 2004, 01:48:27 PM EDT

Re: Key caps - (deSitter) - Sept. 10, 2004, 01:56:17 PM EDT

The expense is irrelevant. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Sept. 10, 2004, 02:01:13 PM EDT

According to other bloggers - (Arkadiy) - Sept. 10, 2004, 02:14:34 PM EDT

Picture of Selectric Composer 47 kb .jpg - (Another Scott) - Sept. 10, 2004, 02:14:04 PM EDT

Re: Try again, but research first - (deSitter) - (4) - Sept. 10, 2004, 01:27:49 PM EDT

I don't have a point, but LGF does - (Arkadiy) - (3) - Sept. 10, 2004, 02:10:47 PM EDT

Re: I don't have a point, but LGF does - (deSitter) - (2) - Sept. 10, 2004, 02:34:03 PM EDT

OK, I did what he did - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Sept. 10, 2004, 05:08:55 PM EDT

Nice! - (deSitter) - Sept. 10, 2004, 05:43:56 PM EDT

CBS is standing by them so far - (JayMehaffey) - (26) - Sept. 10, 2004, 06:07:32 PM EDT

Rather is in over his head - (bepatient) - (3) - Sept. 10, 2004, 08:23:05 PM EDT

All of the obvious complaints are wrong - (JayMehaffey) - (2) - Sept. 10, 2004, 09:20:29 PM EDT

Considering... - (bepatient) - Sept. 10, 2004, 09:59:10 PM EDT

On the superscripts... - (Another Scott) - Sept. 11, 2004, 01:42:22 AM EDT

The CBS statement. - (Another Scott) - (21) - Sept. 10, 2004, 09:35:47 PM EDT

The big question is - (Nightowl) - (20) - Sept. 10, 2004, 09:41:09 PM EDT

It depends on who they got them from, and the conditions. -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 10, 2004, 09:48:26 PM EDT

Probably not - (JayMehaffey) - Sept. 10, 2004, 11:07:24 PM EDT

NYTimes story: CBS won't disclose source. - (Another Scott) - (17) - Sept. 10, 2004, 11:47:48 PM EDT

Nope. - (Nightowl) - Sept. 10, 2004, 11:55:41 PM EDT

This is pure bull - (Arkadiy) - (14) - Sept. 11, 2004, 12:38:22 AM EDT

dumb question - (boxley) - Sept. 11, 2004, 09:09:14 AM EDT

Ahh - (broomberg) - (6) - Sept. 11, 2004, 09:51:47 AM EDT

Nope, not good CYA - (broomberg) - (5) - Sept. 11, 2004, 10:05:22 AM EDT

Manual typewriters don't kern. - (broomberg) - (3) - Sept. 11, 2004, 10:15:13 AM EDT

On the other hand, the upshifted "th" will not be shown - (broomberg) - Sept. 11, 2004, 10:20:31 AM EDT

Kerning wasn't added and it's off by default in Word -NT - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Sept. 11, 2004, 11:22:42 AM EDT

You're right -NT - (Arkadiy) - Sept. 11, 2004, 12:12:50 PM EDT

I did. - (Arkadiy) - Sept. 11, 2004, 12:10:46 PM EDT

IBM Selectric Composer - (Arkadiy) - (5) - Sept. 13, 2004, 05:44:59 PM EDT

Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 13, 2004, 06:05:20 PM EDT

Wow - (deSitter) - (3) - Sept. 13, 2004, 08:41:33 PM EDT

The Story of Times (New) Roman - (Another Scott) - (2) - Sept. 13, 2004, 09:08:59 PM EDT

Thanks, very entertaining and informational! - (Nightowl) - (1) - Sept. 13, 2004, 09:27:20 PM EDT

New Century Schoolbook is the One True Font! 60 kB .gifs. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Sept. 13, 2004, 09:55:49 PM EDT

Well, that's incorrect, isn't? - (Simon_Jester) - Sept. 11, 2004, 11:19:52 AM EDT

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