Up or Down, Marlowe: Are you saying That US forces DIDN'T

Post #172,829

9/5/04 8:23:56 PM

rape, pillage, abuse, and/or kill innocent civilians in Viet Nam?

Enquiring minds want to know....

jb4
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Post #172,830

by ChrisR

9/5/04 8:28:04 PM

Sure you're not asking about Iraq?

Post #172,832

by jb4

9/5/04 8:38:08 PM

Not yet...

Marlowe's Swift Boat heroes, as Marlow hisself, are crying in their collective beer about John Kerry testifying about having personally witnessed atrocities in Viet Nam. Philbert implies, but never says (because he's a fucking coward), that Kerry lied in that testimony. (Actually, Philbert implies that Kerry lies about everything, but that's an issue for another day....) I want it on the record here that Philbert explicitly, unambiguously, states for the record that no US troops committed atrocities in Viet Nam. More specifically, I want the scheisshern to state that the attrocities that Kerry testified to never happened, and back it up with verifiable facts. (Hint: the hew and cry of the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush or any related groups, or any groups receiving money from the RNC or Bush-backed 527s need not apply.)

Post #172,836

by Another Scott

9/5/04 10:12:53 PM

Point of order.

I was under the impression that Kerry [link|http://www.c-span.org/2004vote/jkerrytestimony.asp|testified] before the Senate about things that were discussed during the Winter Soldier meeting. Things that others had done or witnessed. Not things that he had done or witnessed himself.

IIRC, he said at the time that he and others had committed "war crimes" by burning villages, but AFAICR, he never claimed to have committed or witnessed atrocities himself.

Am I mistaken?

Thanks.

Cheers,
Scott.
(Who personally thinks that it's clear that US troops did commit atrocities in Vietnam. I'm annoyed by Kerry's testimony, and his spin on his testimony, putting all of the blame on the brass and none on the people who did the acts though.)

Post #172,839

by imric

9/5/04 10:41:19 PM

9/5/04 10:42:25 PM

Marlowe's not claiming it didn't happen.

He's asserting that talking about it is A betrayal.

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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Edited by imric Sept. 5, 2004, 10:42:17 PM EDT

Edited by imric Sept. 5, 2004, 10:42:25 PM EDT

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Post #172,845

by Ashton

9/6/04 8:03:26 AM

As is: Questioning the current Authority,

no matter what lying, thieving manipulation has occurred, nor how hopeless shall become the incendiary ME situation we have created - for all those duplicitous reasons.

The philbot is So My Gramma; I could write his smarmy crap from memory of the 50 yo Original screeds of the Birchers. Pathetic twit.

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