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New So, how much did those pills use to weigh...
...before their weight was "over"? Did they weigh more than a fag weighs, or did they weigh less than a fag weighs, or did they weigh just as much as a fag weighs?

And do you have a weight problem, BOx, or are you just too goddamn fucking lazy to learn to spell Engrish?


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
New Five. (soon over for)
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
New Did you follow the link?
iwethey@iwethey.org/iwethey

Try that, then come back and apologize to Bill.
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
New Yuck! (But that's no reason for BOx to repeat it.)
[Edit: Typo]
Expand Edited by CRConrad Aug. 31, 2004, 09:11:47 AM EDT
New That's "used to", pilky
"Those pills used to weigh..." Although you used "did", your statement wasn't a negative: [link|http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/065.html|http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/065.html]
New It's a bad idiom
It's okay when used in the context "accustomed to", but as an indicator of past action, it's tacky and easily replaced by "once" or "at one time", or, if you're a PHB, "formerly".
-drl
New Nope, wannabe-Nussy, it sure as heck ain't.
Brewski Bob mistakenly thinks he knows English:
"Those pills used to weigh..." Although you used "did", your statement wasn't a negative:
[link|http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/065.html|http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/065.html]
Huh?!?

Lissen'up, numbchucks, and I'll try to explain this real slow: The verb "use" and its tenses work like any other verb when combined with "do" in its different tenses. That's actually what that overly-authoritative style guide is trying to say, but they're so bad at expressing themselves clearly that I'm afraid you may have got hold of the entirely wrong end of the stick.


We use the verb use in its past tense with an infinitive to indicate a past condition or habitual practice: We used to live in that house.
This, though, has the danger with it that since the *present* tense of that construction is used much more rarely, people may not be aware that that would mean a *present* "condition or habitual practice": "We use to go to the zoo all the time" is a perfectly correct -- but rather rare -- way of saying that we're in the habit of going to the zoo *now*.


Because the -d in used is not pronounced in these constructions, people sometimes mistakenly leave it out when writing. Thus it is incorrect to write We use to play tennis.
Well, unless you *mean* that you "use to play tennis" all the time *now*, of course. Bartleby -- whoever he or she is, or they are -- is only saying that that's wrong if you use it to indicate that you useD to play tennis *in the past*; they're warning that just because it *sounds* as if you were saying "We use to play tennis", there's nothing magic about the verb "use" (in its present tense) that makes the whole sentence past tense.


When do occurs with this form of use in negative statements and in questions,
Or, for that matter, in an ordinary positive statement. Only, circumscription(? term?) of verbs in the present tense with "do" is exceedingly rare in English (as opposed to some other languages); actually, it's only regularly used for emphasis, as far as I know: "But, Mom, I *do* eat my vegetables every day!". (But you could be a little *less* emphatic by leaving out the extra stress on the "do" [and the exclamation mark], and *just* use "do".)

It's more frequent in negative statements and questions, as well as in the past tense, but there's nothing magic about "do" (or "use", for that matter) that means that the use of the verb *alone* indicates a past tense -- it's the *tense of* this auxiliary verb that gives the tense of the whole sentence (or clause). Also, once you have an auxiliary verb to give the tense, the main verb always takes the, um, "infinitive"(?) tense; the one you use with "to", as in "to eat", "to sleep", etc... More on this below.


the situation is reversed, and use to (not used to) is correct: You did not use to play on that team. Didn\ufffdt she use to work for your company?
As per the above: "I eat", present tense; "I ate", past tense; "I do eat", present tense; "I did eat", past tense; "I did ate", no sense.

And this is the other side of the coin that the unfortunate mumble-mouths at Bartleby's are trying to warn against here: "I did used to" is just as nonsensical as "I did ate", so don't use anything but "use" with "do".

Too bad they're gibbering about "this form of use in negative statements and in questions"; it works just the same with ordinary -- or rather, not so ordinary -- positive statements. No doubt this has contributed to your confusion on this whole issue.

Heck, their explanation was so jumbled up that I wouldn't be surprised if a whole lot of people -- and unfortunately, it looks like that includes you, Bob -- come away with the impression that "We did used to [whatever]" was the *correct* construction for an ordinary non-negative non-question statement... FYI: It sure as fucking Hell isn't.


Anyway, to get back to your initial claim:
Although you used "did", your statement wasn't a negative
Compare that with your Pomposity Manual:
When do occurs with this form of use in negative statements and in questions...
and with the *whole* of my sentence, spread out over the subject line and the start of the post body as it was:
"So, how much did those pills use to weigh before their weight was 'over'?"
That, Bub, is what we call with a technical term "a question". (You can recognise them, among other signs, by the hook-shaped thingy they have in stead of a straight exclamation mark at the end.) So, my usage was correct EVEN ACCORDING TO that over-rated gobbledy-gook you dug up.

The ironic thing is that, as I've tried to explain above, that it could well have been correct EVEN IF IT HADN'T BEEN a question. And Blowhardby's doesn't actually *explicitly* say it wouldn't; it just sputters so incoherently that it *seems* as if it had.

So stop trusting that shit, Bob.

HTH!


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
New That was fun
/me pictures CRC teaching English 101 at a typical U.S. college.
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
New picture the history prof in the movie "back to school"
These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL
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New Everyone would drop after the first week
lincoln
"Windows XP has so many holes in its security that any reasonable user will conclude it was designed by the same German officer who created the prison compound in "Hogan's Heroes." - Andy Ihnatko, Chicago Sun-Times
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New Killer Conrad!
-drl
New Nit
I done got the master!

I'm afraid you may have got hold
got s/b gotten

/me thinks
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
New no nit either is acceptable
These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New Either is OK
Leaving off the "en" is mostly British usage.
-drl
New To my glorious British ears...
..."gotten" always sounds like it should be accompanied at some point by one or more of the following: "hyuckhyuckhyuck", "varmint", "vittles", "doggone".


Peter
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New Same here
Even in primary school we were always told to avoid 'got' wherever possible. 'Gotten' was just inconceivable, unless perhaps prefaced by 'ill-' and suffixed by ' gains'.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
New Try.. "he's done git got.."
New confusing it with the past tense of caught
coughtin, i done caughtin the critter last night
thanx,
bill
These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New Nah, that's "done caughted"
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
New Isn't that what happens before people marry?
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
New Ah don' cotten ta yer 'cottin'
New {chortle} Well.. shut ma mouf
Back when I useta was -

Bartlebys? Strunk? .. I've seen the Style Manuals employed by various folk in the editing game
(And you oughtta see the stuff surroundingsurmounting the proper footnoting in academic journals ...

Ackshully you Would make a damn fine Engrish teacher in these parts, possessed as you are of the utterly-necessary sense of humour beneath that instinct for the Jugular

Now if you could just kick the greasy-kid-stuff numbers habit - -

er


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Mark Morford comments on the "loss of the 'Deep End" in modrin swimmimg pools - now uniformly tot-safe:


What is left, really, to teach us of the wonders and perils of solo survivalism and accomplishment and desperate breaststroke struggle? What is left to impart hints of terror and bliss and little exhilarating winks of potential death?

What, in short, will supplant the deep end? The media? "Survivor?" War? The NRA? Dick Cheney's pallid hateful sneer? Not quite.

No, the demise of the deep end may not be the end of the world as you know it. But it's sure as hell the end of one of our more fascinating, and vital, deeper perspectives.

SFGate 7/9/03
     Weight soon over for pill that fights fags - (boxley) - (27)
         Makes perfect sense - (jbrabeck) - (2)
             One smokes fags, one does not blow them. -NT - (pwhysall)
             Re: Makes perfect sense - (deSitter)
         endocannabinoid - your inner cannibal_____cha cha cha -NT - (Ashton)
         No, it is real - (broomberg)
         So, how much did those pills use to weigh... - (CRConrad) - (21)
             Five. (soon over for) -NT - (Meerkat)
             Did you follow the link? - (drewk) - (1)
                 Yuck! (But that's no reason for BOx to repeat it.) -NT - (CRConrad)
             That's "used to", pilky - (FuManChu) - (17)
                 It's a bad idiom - (deSitter)
                 Nope, wannabe-Nussy, it sure as heck ain't. - (CRConrad) - (15)
                     That was fun - (drewk) - (3)
                         picture the history prof in the movie "back to school" -NT - (boxley)
                         Everyone would drop after the first week -NT - (lincoln) - (1)
                             Killer Conrad! -NT - (deSitter)
                     Nit - (jbrabeck) - (9)
                         no nit either is acceptable -NT - (boxley)
                         Either is OK - (deSitter) - (7)
                             To my glorious British ears... - (pwhysall) - (6)
                                 Same here - (Meerkat) - (1)
                                     Try.. "he's done git got.." -NT - (Ashton)
                                 confusing it with the past tense of caught - (boxley) - (3)
                                     Nah, that's "done caughted" -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                                         Isn't that what happens before people marry? -NT - (Meerkat)
                                     Ah don' cotten ta yer 'cottin' -NT - (Ashton)
                     {chortle} Well.. shut ma mouf - (Ashton)

We can probably skip drugs and prostitution, but the mortgage business looks good.
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