Hell, it's no worse than putting Turkey in the EU...

Post #17,092 by CRConrad 11/7/01 4:18:37 AM Reply	Hell, it's no worse than putting Turkey in the EU...
Post #17,097 by gtall 11/7/01 7:03:12 AM Reply	Re: Hell, it's no worse than putting Turkey in the EU... And which country is constantly attacking Turkey, maybe you are referring to the Kurds. Last I heard, there was no Kurdistan. On the other hand, a weak Turkey taken by a strong Iraq or a resurgent Fascist Islam would cause you little European boys problems. It should be in your interest to make Turkey as strong, as secular, and as integrated with European trade as possible. And if it offends your cultured (sic) European sensibilities, then I, for one, am willing to live with it. Gerard Allwein
Post #17,099 by pwhysall 11/7/01 7:30:01 AM Reply	Reasons why Turkey is currently not in the EU... ...and is unlikely to BE in the EU. 1. The death penalty. No matter what Americans think, we don't do death penalties in the EU. 2. Oppression of political opposition. We also don't think it's cricket to imprison, torture and murder the opposition party. 3. Violent oppression of ethnic minorities. The Kurds. 4. More-or-less systemic corruption throughout the political system and police force. Turkey has been asked to address these matters on numerous occasions (it pops up on the BBC news every now and again; they keep banging on the door) but things don't seem to change. [link\|http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/results.pl?tab=news&scope=news&q=turkey+human+rights&x=0&y=0\|BBC News stories on Turkey and human rights] Peter EuroShill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #17,100 by boxley 11/7/01 8:38:09 AM Reply	3.violent oppression of minorities BY THE GOVERNMENT or the UK would be kicked out. thanx, bill tshirt front "born to die before I get old" thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
Post #17,105 by gtall 11/7/01 8:54:57 AM Reply	So? Fix the problems and let'em in. Gerard Allwein
Post #17,289 by CRConrad 11/8/01 5:18:13 AM Reply	Why should we "fix" their "problems", when you... ...weren't going to make, IIRC, Indonesia a State because of their various "problems"? Why don't you just "fix the[ir] problems and let'em in"? Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #17,292 by gtall 11/8/01 6:38:06 AM Reply	Re: Why should we "fix" their "problems", when you... I wasn't referring only to Turkey's problems. Gerard Allwein
Post #17,792 by CRConrad 11/11/01 7:04:42 PM Reply	Is that supposed to be a logical counter to my argument? You were, AFAICR, referring only to Indonesia's problems, earlier. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #17,288 by CRConrad 11/8/01 5:17:47 AM Reply	Worse, other way around: Turkey oppresses the Kurds.

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