Post #17,026
11/6/01 6:35:04 PM
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Bad idea
Afghanistan as an American protectorate (or whatever the hell Guam is) would be under constant attack from the Pashtuns in Pakistan who just know they need a country ethnically pure just like Allah made them. The best we can hope for is a divided country. And if Pakistan goes to hell with the Pashtun (I'm sure they'll find Allah down there waiting for them), Afghanistan is meaningless.
Gerard Allwein
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Post #17,092
11/7/01 4:18:37 AM
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Hell, it's no worse than putting Turkey in the EU...
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Post #17,097
11/7/01 7:03:12 AM
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Re: Hell, it's no worse than putting Turkey in the EU...
And which country is constantly attacking Turkey, maybe you are referring to the Kurds. Last I heard, there was no Kurdistan. On the other hand, a weak Turkey taken by a strong Iraq or a resurgent Fascist Islam would cause you little European boys problems. It should be in your interest to make Turkey as strong, as secular, and as integrated with European trade as possible. And if it offends your cultured (sic) European sensibilities, then I, for one, am willing to live with it.
Gerard Allwein
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Post #17,099
11/7/01 7:30:01 AM
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Reasons why Turkey is currently not in the EU...
...and is unlikely to BE in the EU.
1. The death penalty. No matter what Americans think, we don't do death penalties in the EU.
2. Oppression of political opposition. We also don't think it's cricket to imprison, torture and murder the opposition party.
3. Violent oppression of ethnic minorities. The Kurds.
4. More-or-less systemic corruption throughout the political system and police force.
Turkey has been asked to address these matters on numerous occasions (it pops up on the BBC news every now and again; they keep banging on the door) but things don't seem to change.
[link|http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/results.pl?tab=news&scope=news&q=turkey+human+rights&x=0&y=0|BBC News stories on Turkey and human rights]
Peter
EuroShill For Hire
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
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Post #17,100
11/7/01 8:38:09 AM
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3.violent oppression of minorities BY THE GOVERNMENT
or the UK would be kicked out.
thanx,
bill
tshirt front "born to die before I get old"
thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
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Post #17,105
11/7/01 8:54:57 AM
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So? Fix the problems and let'em in.
Gerard Allwein
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Post #17,289
11/8/01 5:18:13 AM
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Why should *we* "fix" *their* "problems", when *you*...
...weren't going to make, IIRC, Indonesia a State because of *their* various "problems"?
Why don't *you* just "fix the[ir] problems and let'em in"?
Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
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Post #17,292
11/8/01 6:38:06 AM
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Re: Why should *we* "fix" *their* "problems", when *you*...
I wasn't referring only to Turkey's problems.
Gerard Allwein
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Post #17,792
11/11/01 7:04:42 PM
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Is that supposed to be a logical counter to my argument?
You were, AFAICR, referring only to Indonesia's problems, earlier.
Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
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Post #17,288
11/8/01 5:17:47 AM
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Worse, other way around: Turkey oppresses the Kurds.
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