Sunny D?

Problem is, every day they come out with a new reason you'll get cancer, diabetes, this, that, the other.... Besides, isn't Tropicana 100% orange juice? That's what it says anyway.

Not every human being who is female and drinks soda gets diabetes. No one truly has nailed down exactly what causes diabetes, and my husband didn't like their study, (as described on our local news) because it didn't even have a scientific basis as in test subjects drank this, that, and others this, that.

He also commented that women who drank diet sodas were also probably less likely to eat OTHER sugary items, because maybe they were dieting, so it really didn't prove anything.

I've decided that I'm not gonna worry myself to death about every little thing I eat or drink. I try to eat and drink things in moderation, I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke, I have been trying to eat healthier foods lately and more of a balance of protein and carbs, so I figure that's good enough.

But thanks for sharing it anyway, Scott. :)

Nightowl >8#

(Still remembers the year they decided that all women who ate chocolate would gain weight faster.... well I ate some chocolate, not lots, cause I'm not big on it, but I gained almost nothing... and still don't.)

(Oh and get this, I also don't gain weight from soda. I still weigh barely 100 pounds or a little over.)

Pepsi has a truckload of sugar in it, but not all that much else:

From [link|http://www.nspforum.com/faq/bbs.cgi?read=629|here] (do try to ignore their scaremongering about the ingredients - sucrose is regular sugar, for goodness' sake):

Coca Cola/Diet Pepsi Ingredients

The following was sent to me by Janice Prieskorn of home office and I wanted to share with all of you:
Carbonated Water
High Fructose Corn Syrup - (sugar)
Sucrose - used in the manufacture of plastics and cellulose (includes paper, textiles, and explosives)
Caramel Color - (artificial)
Phosphoric Acid - a clear colorless liquid used in fertilizers, soaps, detergents, food flavorings, pharmaceuticals and animal feed
Natural Flavors
Caffeine - a bitter white alkaloid (contains nitrogen from plants including nicotine, quinine, cocaine, and morphine) - also found in coffee, tea, kola nuts, chocolate, and used as a stimulant and diuretic

DIET PEPSI

Carbonated Water
Caramel Color
Nutrasweet - also known as aspartame - see previous FAQ article
Phosphoric acid -- see above
Potassium benzoate - a preservative used for freshness
Caffeine - see above
Citric Acid - a colorless acid derived by fermenting lemon, lime and pineapple juices and also used to prepare citrates in flavorings and
in metal polishes Natural Flavors

Also, Sunny Delight has all those lovely "thickeners" in it. *shudder*.

Try the high juice cordials. You'll like them, I'm sure.

Post #170,191 by pwhysall 8/19/04 2:03:08 PM Reply	Sunny D? I shied away from that (and forbade Boy drinking it in my presence[0]) when I looked at the ingredients list. From [link\|http://www.cspinet.org/new/sunnyd_factsheet.html\|here]: Ingredients: Water, High Fructose, Corn Syrup and 2% or Less of Each of the Following: Concentrated Juices (Orange, Tangerine, Apple, Lime, Grapefruit). Citric Acid, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Beta-Carotene, Thiamin Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Natural Flavors, Food Starch-Modified, Canola Oil, Cellulose Gum, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Sodium Benzoate To Protect Flavor, Yellow #5, Yellow #6 Look specifically at the second and third ingredients, and then the depressing percentage of real fruit juice. Much better for you are the "high juice" fruit cordials. Less junk, more juice. Yes, they've got sugar in them, but the alternative is worse. [0] Boy impressed me mightily the other day. While selecting a cool, refreshing drink in the corner shop after a pleasant amble in the August sunshine to the [link\|http://www.bbc.co.uk/tees/360/priory.shtml\|ruined priory], he espied a bottle of sparkling mineral water and took that. I interrogated him as to the reasoning for his choice. Answer? "Makes you burp and doesn't rot your teeth." He's 11. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,199 by admin 8/19/04 2:10:28 PM Reply	Re: Sunny D? [link\|http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/angry.htm\|http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/angry.htm] And if it doesn't say 100% juice, it doesn't get into our house. We prefer pie, regardless. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #170,202 by pwhysall 8/19/04 2:15:08 PM Reply	Like little firework! Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,731 by lincoln 8/23/04 6:51:21 PM Reply	Try Juicy Juice it says 100% on the label and my kids like it. The Raspberry goes great with vodka too. lincoln "Windows XP has so many holes in its security that any reasonable user will conclude it was designed by the same German officer who created the prison compound in "Hogan's Heroes." - Andy Ihnatko, Chicago Sun-Times [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #170,733 by deSitter 8/23/04 6:57:48 PM Reply	oh BOI gimme gimme in my tommy tippee! -drl
Post #170,737 by Nightowl 8/23/04 8:38:04 PM 8/23/04 10:37:56 PM Reply	That reminds me -- Tropicana Taste Test We bought some of that Tropicana stuff Saturday night, but I didn't want to try it out until it was properly chilled. I bet it's nice and cold now... I should try some in a bit! Edit: I've tried it, and it's great! I'm even drinking a second glass of it! Thanks for the suggestion, I'll start buying this as soon as I finish the bottle of Sunny D. we have left. Not gonna throw it out. And you're right, there is no pulp! Yay! Oh, but it comes in a plastic bottle, not glass, but that's ok, it's lighter for me to lift and pour. Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer Edited by Nightowl Aug. 23, 2004, 10:37:38 PM EDT Edited by Nightowl Aug. 23, 2004, 10:37:56 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #170,769 by boxley 8/24/04 8:37:10 AM Reply	much healthier stuff than sunny D glad you like it These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #170,856 by Another Scott 8/24/04 11:04:08 PM Reply	Then again, you might want to go back to water. At least you may want to reconsider if any sugar is added to your beverages. [link\|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29434-2004Aug24.html\|Washington Post]: Women who drink non-diet soda or fruit punch every day gain weight quickly and face a sharply elevated risk of diabetes, according to a major study released yesterday. The study of more than 50,000 U.S. nurses found that those who drank just one serving of soda or fruit punch a day tended to gain much more weight than those who drank less than one a month, and had more than an 80 percent increased risk of developing Type 2 diabetes, the most common form of the disease. The risk pertained to drinks sweetened with either sugar or high-fructose corn syrup. [...] "The message is: Anyone who cares about their health or the health of their family would not consume these beverages," said Walter C. Willett of the Harvard School of Public Health, who helped conduct the study. "Parents who care about their children's health should not keep them at home." Neither diet soda nor unsweetened fruit juices appear to carry the same risks, the researchers found. Although the study involved only women, the researchers believed that the risks also hold for men. FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #170,864 by Nightowl 8/25/04 1:02:01 AM Reply	Yeah, I heard that too Problem is, every day they come out with a new reason you'll get cancer, diabetes, this, that, the other.... Besides, isn't Tropicana 100% orange juice? That's what it says anyway. Not every human being who is female and drinks soda gets diabetes. No one truly has nailed down exactly what causes diabetes, and my husband didn't like their study, (as described on our local news) because it didn't even have a scientific basis as in test subjects drank this, that, and others this, that. He also commented that women who drank diet sodas were also probably less likely to eat OTHER sugary items, because maybe they were dieting, so it really didn't prove anything. I've decided that I'm not gonna worry myself to death about every little thing I eat or drink. I try to eat and drink things in moderation, I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke, I have been trying to eat healthier foods lately and more of a balance of protein and carbs, so I figure that's good enough. But thanks for sharing it anyway, Scott. :) Nightowl >8# (Still remembers the year they decided that all women who ate chocolate would gain weight faster.... well I ate some chocolate, not lots, cause I'm not big on it, but I gained almost nothing... and still don't.) (Oh and get this, I also don't gain weight from soda. I still weigh barely 100 pounds or a little over.) "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #170,941 by Steven A S 8/25/04 3:18:32 PM Reply	Not until they make it without all the Dihydrogen Monoxide. That stuff will kill ya :) ~~~)-Steven---- "I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..." General George S. Patton
Post #171,013 by Ashton 8/26/04 5:08:52 AM Reply	Real killer: those 10 E-7 Hydronium ions.. sinister.
Post #170,201 by Another Scott 8/19/04 2:14:52 PM Reply	Plus, it tastes like plastic fortifed with battery acid. :-p
Post #170,204 by pwhysall 8/19/04 2:19:11 PM Reply	Me, after tasting Sunny Delight: [link\|http://www.beleefbaar.nl/blog/new_pivot/images/gurn_copy.jpg\|Blurgh]. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,203 by Nightowl 8/19/04 2:16:39 PM Reply	What can I say? But that it's an acquired taste. I tried orange juices with 100 percent juice, but they all seemed to have pulp in them, and I can't stand pulp. Plus I have difficulty swallowing thicker liquids. But I'll keep it in mind. Maybe someone will make an orange juice that doesn't taste like pulp. And regardless, I would think that Sunny Delight is still probably better than Pepsi. :) Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #170,205 by pwhysall 8/19/04 2:25:34 PM Reply	To be honest, I wouldn't bet on it. Pepsi has a truckload of sugar in it, but not all that much else: From [link\|http://www.nspforum.com/faq/bbs.cgi?read=629\|here] (do try to ignore their scaremongering about the ingredients - sucrose is regular sugar, for goodness' sake): Coca Cola/Diet Pepsi Ingredients The following was sent to me by Janice Prieskorn of home office and I wanted to share with all of you: Carbonated Water High Fructose Corn Syrup - (sugar) Sucrose - used in the manufacture of plastics and cellulose (includes paper, textiles, and explosives) Caramel Color - (artificial) Phosphoric Acid - a clear colorless liquid used in fertilizers, soaps, detergents, food flavorings, pharmaceuticals and animal feed Natural Flavors Caffeine - a bitter white alkaloid (contains nitrogen from plants including nicotine, quinine, cocaine, and morphine) - also found in coffee, tea, kola nuts, chocolate, and used as a stimulant and diuretic DIET PEPSI Carbonated Water Caramel Color Nutrasweet - also known as aspartame - see previous FAQ article Phosphoric acid -- see above Potassium benzoate - a preservative used for freshness Caffeine - see above Citric Acid - a colorless acid derived by fermenting lemon, lime and pineapple juices and also used to prepare citrates in flavorings and in metal polishes Natural Flavors Also, Sunny Delight has all those lovely "thickeners" in it. shudder. Try the high juice cordials. You'll like them, I'm sure. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,209 by Nightowl 8/19/04 2:28:10 PM Reply	I'll consider it Try the high juice cordials. You'll like them, I'm sure. If you can recommend an Orange Juice one without pulp. :) Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #170,210 by pwhysall 8/19/04 2:32:18 PM 8/19/04 2:34:56 PM Reply	Can you get the Robinson's drinks over there? I see that you [link\|http://www.britishdelights.com/drinks.htm\|can]. That's just a brief Googling result. If you like it, I expect a more diligent search would reveal to you a less expensive supplier. Also, consider [link\|http://www.britshoppe.com/roborbarwat.html\|this]. Much less gloopy than Sunny Delight. But do make it up somewhat weaker than the web page suggests. The suggested one part squash to four parts water would make me go crosseyed. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog] Edited by pwhysall Aug. 19, 2004, 02:34:56 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #170,212 by Nightowl 8/19/04 2:34:31 PM Reply	Re: Can you get the Robinson's drinks over there? Sorry, John won't buy food or drink online. But I'll see if our local grocery carries any. I went on a search for real orange juice without pulp once before in St. Louis, but only came up with Sunny D, so I'm up for suggestions that can be purchased at the local grocery store. Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #170,215 by Another Scott 8/19/04 2:41:41 PM Reply	Dunno. Usually people who have trouble swallowing are put on a thickened-liquid diet. Even [link\|http://www.cadburyschweppes.com/EN/Brands/About/Beverages/factsheet_orangina.htm?printable=true\|Orangina] is better than SunnyD. Of course, if you get that you'll be increasing our trade deficit and ruining the economy, but hey, if you can't drink All American Orange Juice [likely imported from [link\|http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040805/NEWS/408050342/1001/BUSINESS\|Brazil] these days], then I guess you'll have to do something.... HTH. ;-j Cheers, Scott.
Post #170,218 by Nightowl 8/19/04 2:48:02 PM Reply	Had it since I was a child the Doctor called it a low-gag reflex (or was it high? I think it was low), where I have a very limited tolerance for things like tongue depressors and such. I could barely drink a shake, for example, so I stay away from thicker stuff. Most thick drink I can drink is a frozen coke, but it's not really that thick. Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #170,221 by pwhysall 8/19/04 2:55:16 PM Reply	Sounds annoying Which is why every drink I've mentioned is less thick and gloopy than Sunny Delight :) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,254 by deSitter 8/19/04 3:35:14 PM Reply	Tang ..with vodka. -drl
Post #170,294 by folkert 8/19/04 5:46:19 PM Reply	OJ can be 99.99% Pulp Free. The filter it... Where do they put the pulp from that... of course: OJ with Xtra Pulp. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #170,377 by boxley 8/19/04 10:39:54 PM Reply	wrong gojo :-) These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #170,933 by lister 8/25/04 2:54:09 PM Reply	Non-pulp OJ I can't stand pulp in orange juice! Bleah! DOWN WITH FLOATY BITS! Most of the major juice makers have low to no pulp versions of their orange juices. lister
Post #171,010 by cforde 8/26/04 1:23:17 AM Reply	no accounting for taste My kids hate pulp in their orange juice. Me, I love it. Have fun, Carl Forde
Post #171,049 by lister 8/26/04 12:09:09 PM Reply	No there isn't I generally like my drinks smooth and consistent. Floaty bits ruin that. Good thing for you that they make OJ with more than normal amounts of pulp. lister
Post #170,251 by Steven A S 8/19/04 3:33:34 PM Reply	Re: To be honest, I wouldn't bet on it. Isn't that High Fructose Corn Syrup the same thing you were complaining about in Sunny-D in the first place? Then you add sugar to that? And what's the percentage of fruit juice in Pepsi? Oh yea, 0.0%. But overall you're right, Sunny-D isn't the best choice. though I would rate it higher than Pepsi (remember caffeine isn't considered good for you either, despite the number of people that live on the stuff :) ~~~)-Steven---- "I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..." General George S. Patton
Post #170,255 by pwhysall 8/19/04 3:38:20 PM Reply	Pepsi is similarly dreadful... ...but it isn't QUITE the noxious chemical brew that masquerades as fruit juice under the name "Sunny Delight". Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,936 by lister 8/25/04 3:02:42 PM Reply	USA Pepsi vs the rest Damn corn syrup. Stupid sugar tarrifs. Up here in Canuckleland we usually get the real deal. I prefer Pepsi over Coke myself. It's sweeter and not as dry as Coke. Other soft drinks favs are Dr. Pepper, the various cherry and vanilla colas, Brio, Jones Blue Bubble Gum and Foo Foo Berry. Adding milk to colas works nicely too. A thin shake. (Egg nog and cola makes a wonderful yucky brown colour. :-p ) Stay away from soft drinks with real fruit juice in it as the milk produces a scum layer on top that you can push into the drink with your finger. Oh, an important note about Brio I discovered this past weekend. Don't drink it with spicy foods. It keeps bringing back the hot sensation on your tongue. I think it even amplifies it as the chillies I added to the pizza slice wasn't as hot when initially eaten. lister
Post #170,865 by FuManChu 8/25/04 2:10:08 AM Reply	Snort. Sucrose. Reminds me of the Dihydrogen Monoxide scare ;) [link\|http://www.dhmo.org/\|http://www.dhmo.org/]
Post #170,871 by Andrew Grygus 8/25/04 3:06:36 AM Reply	Snort Sucrose? What kind of high do you get? Can you smoke it (I'm not into snorting)? [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #170,873 by Steve Lowe 8/25/04 3:09:29 AM Reply	ICLRPDx3 (new thread) Created as new thread #170872 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=170872\|ICLRPDx3] -- Steve
Post #170,927 by a6l6e6x 8/25/04 2:12:57 PM Reply	I had a similar thought. [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucrose\|Sucrose] is just another name for table sugar. Alex "If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." -- Philip K. Dick, US science fiction writer
Post #170,211 by boxley 8/19/04 2:34:04 PM Reply	snorting coffee thru my nose!!, to avoid thicker liquids.... never mind be nice ahem tropicana oj from concentrate in the clear glass 1 quart bottles. This isnt sold everywhere so may be hard to come by, usually found on the juice aisle next to the canned juice. thanx, bill These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #170,213 by Nightowl 8/19/04 2:35:39 PM Reply	Hehehee Mind in the gutter, Boxley? ;) I'll check it out, I think Schnucks carries Tropicana products. :) Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #170,217 by boxley 8/19/04 2:47:32 PM Reply	always, but that tropicana product is enjoyed by high end bartenders for screwdrivers as its pretty pulp free. thanx, bill These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #170,223 by tjsinclair 8/19/04 2:56:25 PM Reply	Tropicana I believe they have a "no pulp" offering. My wife can't stand pulp either so I always have to check the labels. Tom Sinclair "While I'm still confused and uncertain, it's on a much higher plane, d'you see, and at least I know I'm bewildered about the really fundamental and important facts of the universe." Treatle nodded. "I hadn't looked at it like that," he said, "But you're absolutely right. He's really pushed back the boundaries of ignorance." -- Discworld scientists at work (Terry Pratchett, Equal Rites)
Post #170,226 by pwhysall 8/19/04 3:00:35 PM Reply	Personally, I like it. I buy fresh orange juice with extra "juicy bits". Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,412 by tjsinclair 8/20/04 10:25:51 AM Reply	I'm a pulp fan myself Tom Sinclair "While I'm still confused and uncertain, it's on a much higher plane, d'you see, and at least I know I'm bewildered about the really fundamental and important facts of the universe." Treatle nodded. "I hadn't looked at it like that," he said, "But you're absolutely right. He's really pushed back the boundaries of ignorance." -- Discworld scientists at work (Terry Pratchett, Equal Rites)
Post #170,380 by Meerkat 8/19/04 11:06:13 PM Reply	Sigh, all these Pulp haters - they're one of my fave bands! Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #170,388 by Ashton 8/20/04 5:21:51 AM Reply	1) buy some oranges 2) make juice 3) Google for instructions

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