Interesting pushover: the AG for IBM

Post #16,951 by kmself 11/6/01 4:29:45 PM Reply	Interesting pushover: the AG for IBM ...er, New York State. California's opposition is virtually assured: Sun, Apple, Oracle, and possibly Intel, have reasons to dislike Microsoft, and will speak more loudly than the voice of the people. What's very curious to me is that the word out of Armonk, er, Albany, is that the NY State AG has apparently signed on to the deal. This either means that Wall Street's winning out over IBM, or IBM has decided that they're either against a harsher settlement, or can beat MSFT otherwise. Curious. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #17,034 by dmarker2 11/6/01 6:57:09 PM Reply	Re: I agree with your suspicions ... Have felt that IBM is now about to play MS off against Sun & Oracle while IBM knows it has the bits needed to make Web Services work while MS is desperately trying to convince world its .Net strat is real. SAP voted loudly & significantly when they recently announced that they were going with J2EE & they have no desire to piss MS off, they merely stated what will soon become obvious, MS just don't have enough of .Net inplace for large corporations & software suppliers to bet their future on + few trust MS anymore, to be honest about how good its position is. Our company is significant in this region & we have stated J2EE is our technology direction. I see it & discuss these issues regularly with regional execs from BEA (WebLogic), SilverStream, IBM etc: & MS are seen as all strategy but little tangible teachnology to back it. Even Gartner etc: are still questioning the viablity of theMS delivery. MS needs funds to finance its vast .Net technologies - the one thing they have done well is to talk about .Net & articulate it as a strategy but filling it all in my prove more than they can handle in the time needed. To compound MS woes we have the worst downturn in business in years just when they need to wring more $ from the public. Cheers Doug
Post #17,096 by kmself 11/7/01 5:19:39 AM Reply	SFGate: Lockyer lobbied by IBM, Sun, Oracle, others Interesting that IBM had more sway in California than their home state: [link\|http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2001/11/06/state1621EST0077.DTL&type=printable\|California attorney general rejects proposed Microsoft settlement] DON THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer Tuesday, November 6, 2001 Lockyer, whose state is home to Silicon Valley and many of Microsoft's fiercest competitors, said his objections to the proposed settlement were solidified over the weekend by lobbying from IBM, AOL Time Warner Inc., Sun Microsystems Inc. and Novell Inc. His statement announcing his decision specifically said stronger controls are needed to protect California businesses and consumers. Among the other rebel states is Florida. That must be an interesting story. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`

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