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Post #167,807 by broomberg 8/5/04 9:00:24 PM Reply	Huh? Programmer, analyst, CTO, what the hell, they are all the same, right?
Post #167,814 by tuberculosis 8/5/04 10:02:09 PM Reply	Its a lot easier to teach a programmer business than teach a business guy how to program. Don'tcha think? I've run dev shops and been responsible for P/L and architecture at a variety of companies. I'm usually the fucking BRIDGE between the suits and T-shirts. Is he the chief TECHNOLOGY officer or the CYA officer? I'm not jumping on you personally, but I'm sick of the "conventional" stupidity. You can do better. That was lovely cheese. --Wallace, The Wrong Trousers
Post #167,819 by broomberg 8/5/04 10:30:04 PM Reply	"Conventional" is there for a reason And it's not CYA. It's corporate survival. And not survival of the employee, but survival of the company. Or in the case, the division. You may have experience with a variety of situations, on both side of the aisle, but you are a gambler. You have been consulting for a long time, jumping from job to job, and you don't mind failure. You'll just pick up and move on. You are good at it. I mind failure. I mind people losing their jobs when I screw up. I mind throwing away money on things that are unknowns. I have a house and kids. I'm not going anywhere. So I'm going to minimize the possibility for failure, and I'm going to solve the problems given to me in the most straightforward conservative fashion possible. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your picture of how it could be better because I won't take a chance on your pet language.
Post #167,823 by tuberculosis 8/5/04 11:04:39 PM Reply	I object to your characterization of me as reckless. You may have experience with a variety of situations, on both side of the aisle, but you are a gambler. You have been consulting for a long time, jumping from job to job, and you don't mind failure. You'll just pick up and move on. You are good at it. You ought to read my resume some time. I've been a full time employee whenever possible - chief technolgy architects at more than a couple companies (CTO right hand man - should have been CTO but I got there second) and I've never fucked an employer and moved on. In fact, some of my [link\|http://translations.com/products/GMS_Suite.html\|work] has outlasted the [link\|http://www.etranslate.com/\|company] that sponsored it. All my companies have failed due to poor management at the C level - one step beyond my control. I mind failure. I mind people losing their jobs when I screw up. I mind throwing away money on things that are unknowns. So do I. So much so that I've never failed. Because if I don't know something I bloody well go find out instead of just following the latest recommendation of CTO magazine and listening to my MS sales rep. I have a house and kids. I have that and I'll raise you a yacht. Doesn't mean I still don't have to move every 18 months because of hopeless management fucking up the company and worthless venture capitalists. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your picture of how it could be better because I won't take a chance on your pet language. No, but you'll take a chance on an open source rip off of Bill's new wonder hack won't cha? That was lovely cheese. --Wallace, The Wrong Trousers
Post #167,826 by broomberg 8/6/04 12:08:05 AM Reply	No, but you'll take a chance on an > open source rip off of Bill's new wonder hack won't cha? Um. No. Read my response on the bottom. If I was going to use .Net, I'd would have liked to also explore Mono, but more for education and play than any thought of really deploying it. But I dropped .Net from consideration after going through a tutorial on it tonight. Not applicable to the project. Sorry about the characterization. I've never seen your resume, I only know what I've read in here over the years. I've only had 3 primary jobs in the last 20 years, along with consulting on the side. I've had a variety of offers but I took the safe road. Maybe I lost out on the big bucks. Or maybe I've saved myself from drowning in tailspinning dot com failure. Who said anything about CTO magazine or MS sales rep? The CTO didn't say use .Net, he said make it work on Windows using technology that we have a good chance of hiring people to support it. Everything else is me.
Post #167,829 by tuberculosis 8/6/04 12:18:38 AM Reply	If I were you and had available expertise in VB and were considering getting this done in VB, and considered that it might be a win to have the app run on more than just Windows, I'd at least spend a little time evaluating RealBasic. [link\|http://www.realbasic.com\|http://www.realbasic.com] Because good management AFAK is about preserving options. VB is MS only for sure. RB is cross platform and if you're determined to work with troglodytes (lets face it, people who specialize in basic these days* are hardly your industry elites), you might at least try to get the most bang for your buck. *BTW, the first proof of concept Smalltalk VM was actually written in Basic (Basic was popular in the late 70's after all). That was lovely cheese. --Wallace, The Wrong Trousers
Post #167,838 by broomberg 8/6/04 6:39:31 AM Reply	Done Did a quick review of the site, accepted it is applicable, forwarded off the to CTO. He has looked into it in the past, it seems my RPG-III / VB Programming brother turned him on to it! Is now in consideration for this project. Thanks for reminding me about it.

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