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Post #167,581 by folkert 8/5/04 7:37:52 AM Reply	It is an escape. BTW, if you are not a "gamer", you'd never understand. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #167,584 by deSitter 8/5/04 7:43:06 AM Reply	I love games Scrabble, chess, Risk, poker, setback, Trivial Pursuit, charades, Pictionary, ... They're games with a person or more, mabye some beers, lies and jokes... What is sexual component of the interest here? How is this related to the ultraviolence of Japanese comics? Why are kids so fascinated by it? -drl
Post #167,586 by admin 8/5/04 8:14:37 AM Reply	Ever watch a horror film? Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #167,588 by deSitter 8/5/04 8:34:49 AM Reply	Not the kind with gore and murder, no -drl
Post #167,589 by admin 8/5/04 8:44:21 AM Reply	Ever seen Alien? Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #167,590 by deSitter 8/5/04 8:57:29 AM Reply	Fundamentally different That's a nasty creature, like a big spider. It's not cold-blooded violent murder by another person, and it's certainly not participatory cold-blooded murder. I've actually squashed and gassed innumerable spiders and other disgusting arthopods when they confronted my living space in an unacceptable way. I don't see the appeal of vicarious murder of other persons. When I was a kid we often visited the drive-in. My mother liked the B-movie gothic horror flicks of the day, which were almost all very tame and even silly. One movie however did feature a knife and a psycho. I can still remember having a literal physical shock at the sound of someone being stabbed and slashed, and feeling the instant impulse to vomit. I did not consider this a pleasant experience and have never willingly sat through another such episode. I do NOT understand what the appeal of it is, and I'm certain that the desensitization involved does tremendous damage to young people. (Is this a call for censorship? No. If I were a parent my kids would be rigorously prevented from seeing such things in my own house. That's all a person can do.) -drl
Post #167,593 by admin 8/5/04 9:07:36 AM Reply	WTF are you talking about? Do you even know what Doom is about? Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #167,595 by deSitter 8/5/04 9:21:44 AM Reply	Sure It's a game where you get to be a beefy locked-and-loaded steroid case and wander about violently killing things, people or creatures. I even saw a demo featuring Barney the dinosaur. Google "deathmatch". -drl
Post #167,604 by folkert 8/5/04 9:34:20 AM Reply	Nope. Think of being a marine in the Alien movies. Think about the fact that the crew was dispensible in preservation of the "specimen" Now, transform that into, Scientists developing similar specimens for a Corporation to profit by. Things go horribly wrong producing a myriad of "mutated experiments" that are basically capable of making any human a Zombie, just by infecting them. It is you "Duty" as a Marine, to protect the installation and such. Which has very unstable power stations, making the WHOLE game Pitch black and not being able to see unless you have a flashlight. But to "Defend yourself" you have to switch to your weapon away from your light source. Also, it seems that some of your fellow Marines have gotten infected as well. Proving MUCH more difficult, as you basically have to "Head shot" them. Now, when you see this was all caused by a Corporation Obessed with making more profit... well... maybe you would understand. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #167,607 by deSitter 8/5/04 9:38:20 AM Reply	Posted elsewhere but why not? Here's an extensive quote: On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold launched an assault on Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, murdering 13 and wounding 23 before turning the guns on themselves. Although it is impossible to know exactly what caused these teens to attack their own classmates and teachers, a number of factors probably were involved. One possible contributing factor is violent video games. Harris and Klebold enjoyed playing the bloody, shoot-'em-up video game Doom, a game licensed by the U.S. military to train soldiers to effectively kill. The Simon Wiesenthal Center, which tracks Internet hate groups, found in its archives a copy of Harris' web site with a version of Doom that he had customized. In his version there are two shooters, each with extra weapons and unlimited ammunition, and the other people in the game can't fight back. For a class project, Harris and Klebold made a videotape that was similar to their customized version of Doom. In the video, Harris and Klebold dress in trench coats, carry guns, and kill school athletes. They acted out their videotaped performance in real life less than a year later. An investigator associated with the Wiesenthal Center said Harris and Klebold were "playing out their game in God mode" (Pooley, 1999, p. 32). They didn't customize a copy of Risk or make scary looking chess pieces. They used the same software the military apparently uses (?) to train people to kill effectively, so it must be a very realistic simulation. -drl
Post #167,608 by admin 8/5/04 9:40:29 AM Reply	Re: Posted elsewhere but why not? And I suppose you blame the Beatles for Manson, too... Wackos do shit like that. The game is a tool, not the cause. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #167,613 by deSitter 8/5/04 9:48:40 AM Reply	Re: Posted elsewhere but why not? That's sophistry. You might as well blame Mahler for suicides because depressive types like it. How can there be any doubt that a young person who is filling his days with crude violence, even if simulated, is being permanently damaged by it? It's common sense. -drl
Post #167,616 by pwhysall 8/5/04 9:51:26 AM Reply	Re: Posted elsewhere but why not? But in the good old days, when blacks stood up for whites, and before women had the vote, everyone's life was violent, surely? Why, you couldn't be considered a proper southerner until you'd been to your first lynching. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #167,629 by admin 8/5/04 10:03:42 AM Reply	40 cups a day of green tea will give you cancer, too. All things in moderation. Too much of certain vitamins will kill you too. A small amount of radiation can actually reduce cancer incidence. So stop arguing about the games, and realize that the problem lies in how they are used. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #167,606 by admin 8/5/04 9:37:01 AM Reply	Yep, you can deathmatch. Just like laser tag. But Doom 3 is more like Alien. Creatures invade, you get to drive them off. Scary as hell, and just like Alien come to life. I usually only played Doom II in single player mode. There were a lot of times I just about jumped out of my skin when something surprised me in the game. And yes, Barney must die. There's another version of Doom that lets you blow away offending processes. Just make sure you don't hit the monster tagged with the numeral 1. Having said that, my personal opinion is that games like Grand Theft Auto never should have been made. I overheard a kid in the video store a few days ago talking about how cool it was to be able to walk into a mall and blow everyone away. Now THAT is scary. Doom isn't the same thing by a LONG shot. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #167,609 by pwhysall 8/5/04 9:40:38 AM Reply	Over here, GTA is 18-certificated This means that it's a criminal (not civil) offence to supply the game to anyone under that age. Not enforced nearly hard enough, but it's a start. GTA is fun... ... if you're mentally equipped to separate fantasy from reality. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #167,610 by folkert 8/5/04 9:46:52 AM Reply	Wat EEZ thees "Reality" you spork of? -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #167,614 by pwhysall 8/5/04 9:49:23 AM Reply	UT2k4 hopefully arriving tomorrow... in which I shall corrode (pornographically, of course) my little corner of civilisation. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #167,633 by admin 8/5/04 10:06:58 AM Reply	I don't necessarily have a problem with the game for adults GTA has a much thinner fantasy/reality line than most games, though. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #167,605 by folkert 8/5/04 9:35:28 AM Reply	Gamer as in the traditional "Computer Games Gamer" Not the Board Games. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]

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