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Post #167,396 by ben_tilly 8/3/04 9:50:59 PM Reply	There are other routes to that end Like [link\|http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html\|biodiesel]. Though there seems to be some disagreement on feasibility. While that article is optimistic [link\|http://www.fuelandfiber.com/Athena/biodiesel_from_algae_es.pdf\|this] claims that prices would have to be 2-3 times the current level for biodiesel to be feasible. (But I'd bet that if biodiesel came into wide use, we'd figure out ways to make it cheaper to produce.) Cheers, Ben To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act - [link\|http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=1246&Page=1&pagePos=20\|Nebraska Supreme Court]
Post #167,401 by a6l6e6x 8/3/04 9:59:35 PM Reply	There is also (methyl and ethyl) alcohol. [link\|http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/activitybook/fs-alcohol.html\|link]: Methanol and Ethanol are two types of alcohol fuels used in cars. Ethanol can be produced from a variety of renewable resources, most commonly corn and sugarcane. Methanol can be made from renewable resources also, but today, methanol is primarily made from natural gas. Alex "If I seem unduly clear to you, you must have misunderstood what I said." -- Alan Greenspan, Federal Reserve chairman
Post #167,410 by Another Scott 8/3/04 11:56:12 PM 8/3/04 11:58:28 PM Reply	We discussed some of these a while ago. [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=159106\|#159106]. zIWeThey is a maze of twisty passages, all alike. :-) Don't get me wrong, there are many things the US, and others, can do to lessen our dependence on ME oil. But as long as the industrial world runs on petroleum, the ME is going to be a vital region. Kerry's [link\|http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=bombast\|bombast] about "energy independence" won't change that. [edit: modified the WeeCode for bombast to get rid of the quotes] Cheers, Scott. Edited by Another Scott Aug. 3, 2004, 11:58:28 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #167,443 by inthane-chan 8/4/04 10:59:41 AM Reply	It's all about solar orbital microwave power sats. WANTED: Precognitive Telepath for adventuring Partnership. You know where to apply.
Post #167,455 by Another Scott 8/4/04 12:24:04 PM Reply	And who wants to be by the Earth station? "Whoops, the aim was off a little bit. Walt's Boneless Chicken Ranch just got cooked." There are a few small problems with some of the proposals for things like this. E.g. [link\|http://www.eere.energy.gov/consumerinfo/factsheets/l123.html\|here]: Each SPSS would have been massive, measuring 6.5 miles (10.5 kilometers [km]) long and 3.3 miles (5.3 km) wide, or 21 square miles (55.7 square kilometers) in area. The surface of each satellite would have been covered with 400 million solar cells. The transmitting antenna on the satellite(s) would have been about \ufffd mile in diameter (1 km) and the receiving antennae on the earth's surface would have been about 6 miles (10 km) in diameter. Massive structures such as this would have been a significant engineering challenge. Because of their size, the satellites would have been constructed in space. The plan envisioned sending small segments of the satellites into space using the Space Shuttle. The materials would have been stored at work stations in low earth orbit, and then towed to the assembly point by a purpose-built "space tug" (such as operating the space shuttle). Cost was the major obstacle to development of the SPSS. When the NASA-DOE report was completed in 1979, the estimated cost for building a prototype was $74 billion. Construction of an SPSS system would have taken about 30 years to complete. At the time, the United States did not appropriate funds to begin construction. Other countries, such as Japan, are currently exploring the concept of solar power stations in space. TANSTAAFL. Unless you live near Walt's when it happens. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #167,456 by inthane-chan 8/4/04 12:53:48 PM Reply	Death valley. Not much there to get cooked already. Yeah, there are some issues. Hell, we might get better just with a whole set of mirrors beaming heat energy, or maybe lasers heating water, etc.? This is just a couple seconds of thought into the subject - I still think directly from the sun is where ultimately we will aggregate most of our energy from in the long run. WANTED: Precognitive Telepath for adventuring Partnership. You know where to apply.

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