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New What's old is new again.
Remember 1973? [link|http://ma.mbe.doe.gov/me70/history/1971-1980.htm|DOE]:

October 6, 1973
The Yom Kippur War breaks out in the Middle East. October 17, 1973, the Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries declares an oil embargo, sparking the first "energy crisis."

November 7, 1973
President Nixon launches Project Independence, with the goal of achieving energy self-sufficiency by 1980. Recalling the Manhattan Project, Nixon declares that American science, technology, and industry can free the United States from dependence on foreign oil.


Kerry's energy plan concludes with:

Given that sixty-five percent of the world\ufffds oil reserves are in the Middle East, America will never be able to drill our way to energy independence. But if we have the will and the imagination to declare our commitment to energy independence today, we can achieve it tomorrow. We can create jobs and build a stronger country. We can once again make America the energy and transportation capital of the world, and make America the world\ufffds best steward of the environment we all share.


(Emphasis added.)

US oil production is dropping, and even with drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska\ufffds National Petroleum Reserve (which he supports instead of ANWAR), it's not likely that these reserves will make up for declines elsewhere. He recognizes this, yet I think he also recognizes that his other proposals will not make us "An Energy Independent America" (as he titles that chapter of his plan). It's not a matter of will, it's a matter of deciding as a matter of US policy that we're willing to invest the hundreds of billions of dollars that would be required to achieve his stated goal:

We believe a strong America must no longer rely on the cooperation of regimes that may not share our values, and we are not willing to risk a future in which our young men and women might have to risk their lives to protect Mideast oil supplies.


He's not making serious proposals to do that.

The US could probably acheive his stated goal (being independent of ME oil) in 20 years, but not by the method he suggests. I think it would take:

1) A massive investment in nuclear fission power to generate enough electricity to liberate hydrogen from water and power the plants to compress and liquify it. Hydro, solar, and wind won't be able to supply the power needed to move to a hydrogen economy for transportation, I don't think (the power density isn't there). (Biomass, etc., is pure pandering to the farmers and ADM, IMO.)

2) Substantial increases in taxes on cars and trucks (e.g. a carbon tax) to encourage people and businesses to reduce their oil consumption. Substantial investment in oil-free polymers to replace the various types of plastics we are so dependent upon.

3) Substantial investment in construction of increased natural gas or hydrogen pipelines to deliver the fuel to tank farms that would supply service stations, etc.

4) Lots of jawboning of other industrial countries to convert their manufacturing processes to reduce their oil needs. (If China is still dependent on oil, and they supply critical equipment that the US needs, then the US mainland being independent of ME oil doesn't mean the US economy is protected. As the world gets more interconnected, the problem will get more difficult.)

Etc.

It's just pablum from Kerry, IMO. If he proposes substantial tax increases necessary to make his plan a reality, then I'll think he's serious.

Note that I don't think Bush is serious about these issues either....

Cheers,
Scott.
New There are other routes to that end
Like [link|http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html|biodiesel]. Though there seems to be some disagreement on feasibility. While that article is optimistic [link|http://www.fuelandfiber.com/Athena/biodiesel_from_algae_es.pdf|this] claims that prices would have to be 2-3 times the current level for biodiesel to be feasible. (But I'd bet that if biodiesel came into wide use, we'd figure out ways to make it cheaper to produce.)

Cheers,
Ben
To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act
- [link|http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=1246&Page=1&pagePos=20|Nebraska Supreme Court]
New There is also (methyl and ethyl) alcohol.
[link|http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/activitybook/fs-alcohol.html|link]:
Methanol and Ethanol are two types of alcohol fuels used in cars. Ethanol can be produced from a variety of renewable resources, most commonly corn and sugarcane. Methanol can be made from renewable resources also, but today, methanol is primarily made from natural gas.
Alex

"If I seem unduly clear to you, you must have misunderstood what I said." -- Alan Greenspan, Federal Reserve chairman
New We discussed some of these a while ago.
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=159106|#159106].

zIWeThey is a maze of twisty passages, all alike. :-)

Don't get me wrong, there are many things the US, and others, can do to lessen our dependence on ME oil. But as long as the industrial world runs on petroleum, the ME is going to be a vital region. Kerry's [link|http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=bombast|bombast] about "energy independence" won't change that.

[edit: modified the WeeCode for bombast to get rid of the quotes]

Cheers,
Scott.
Expand Edited by Another Scott Aug. 3, 2004, 11:58:28 PM EDT
New It's all about solar orbital microwave power sats.
WANTED: Precognitive Telepath for adventuring Partnership. You know where to apply.
New And who wants to be by the Earth station?
"Whoops, the aim was off a little bit. Walt's Boneless Chicken Ranch just got cooked."

There are a few small problems with some of the proposals for things like this. E.g. [link|http://www.eere.energy.gov/consumerinfo/factsheets/l123.html|here]:

Each SPSS would have been massive, measuring 6.5 miles (10.5 kilometers [km]) long and 3.3 miles (5.3 km) wide, or 21 square miles (55.7 square kilometers) in area. The surface of each satellite would have been covered with 400 million solar cells.

The transmitting antenna on the satellite(s) would have been about \ufffd mile in diameter (1 km) and the receiving antennae on the earth's surface would have been about 6 miles (10 km) in diameter. Massive structures such as this would have been a significant engineering challenge.

Because of their size, the satellites would have been constructed in space. The plan envisioned sending small segments of the satellites into space using the Space Shuttle. The materials would have been stored at work stations in low earth orbit, and then towed to the assembly point by a purpose-built "space tug" (such as operating the space shuttle).

Cost was the major obstacle to development of the SPSS. When the NASA-DOE report was completed in 1979, the estimated cost for building a prototype was $74 billion. Construction of an SPSS system would have taken about 30 years to complete. At the time, the United States did not appropriate funds to begin construction. Other countries, such as Japan, are currently exploring the concept of solar power stations in space.


TANSTAAFL. Unless you live near Walt's when it happens. :-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New Death valley.
Not much there to get cooked already.

Yeah, there are some issues. Hell, we might get better just with a whole set of mirrors beaming heat energy, or maybe lasers heating water, etc.? This is just a couple seconds of thought into the subject - I still think directly from the sun is where ultimately we will aggregate most of our energy from in the long run.
WANTED: Precognitive Telepath for adventuring Partnership. You know where to apply.
New Early 1974: A Tale of Attention Spans
Ashton purchases a pristine (28K miles) '70 Buick Riviera from an author friend (worried.. for his writing 'backpacking books' - at the Excess, already ;-) for $1200 ~ midway between Audi dealer's trade-in and some other metric.

Ashton declares (and means) .. Well, C - what I *hope* is: by 1975 I can only park this and periodically.. run the AC for a cool-off on the rare August day in Bay Area.. .. finally, use it for a greenhouse with-leather-seats -- y'know?

Turned out to be an eye-opener for moi; this 5000# sucker actually Handled; stops, corners like ary old GranTurismo. IF.. 10-13 mpg is No Big deal. (Down to ~7.2 mpg on one tankfull, climbing the Berkeley Hills regularly.)

I figured.. WTF - Swan Song; maybe I can flog it for 600 in a year or two.




Naah - this Be Murica. ~'75 or 6 I advertised the sucker; gas was sorta back. People in Tears [no lie] when I told them I had sold it to first caller at 2550 (IIRC), having spent 300 for new tires and nothing else. Except gas.



All we learn from history is that never do we learn from history.
-- some recent wag.

1-2 year? attention span back then.
Now -??- 3 weeks Max?
New See it here:
[link|http://www.caldreamcars.net/416418.html|1970 Riviera] - it's only $12k. :-)

I think the Riviera reached its zenith with the 1971-1973 [link|http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show_image.pl?fg=000000&bg=FFFFFF&migration=1&image=http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/403000-403999/403139_7_full.jpg|"boat-tailed"] models. Supposedly the rear window cost $1200 to manufacture. With its low compression 455 CID motor, one would be lucky to get 8 mpg out of that yacht.

Cheers,
Scott.
     Kerry and Edwards "Plan for America" - (ben_tilly) - (14)
         But they have no plan...it's all lies.... -NT - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
             Hey now...isn't that supposed to be my line? ;-) -NT - (bepatient)
         It's about time... - (danreck) - (11)
             Ob nit re implications - (Ashton)
             What's old is new again. - (Another Scott) - (8)
                 There are other routes to that end - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                     There is also (methyl and ethyl) alcohol. - (a6l6e6x)
                     We discussed some of these a while ago. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                         It's all about solar orbital microwave power sats. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (2)
                             And who wants to be by the Earth station? - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                 Death valley. - (inthane-chan)
                 Early 1974: A Tale of Attention Spans - (Ashton) - (1)
                     See it here: - (Another Scott)
             minor nit - (boxley)

And it's like that.
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