Post #16,693
11/5/01 5:04:13 PM
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Read with comprehension.
She stated that she submitted to a complete search of her person and her baggage.
No where has that been contradicted.
She was not arrested nor detained nor charged with anything.
If she had tried to gain access to the secured area AND refused to be searched, she would have been arrested or SOMETHING.
But she wasn't.
If you don't believe me, why don't YOU try it?
Try getting through airport security without submitting to their security measures.
Let me know what happens.
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Post #16,697
11/5/01 5:07:33 PM
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You are not arrested...
...for refusing security...just denied access.
Trying to crash security is another issue...and I'm surprised you'd try something like that after the tack you took with Addison's thread.
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Post #16,701
11/5/01 5:12:14 PM
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Try it sometime.
Go to the check point and REFUSE to allow them to scan you.
Don't tell me what will happen.
I know what will happen.
If you're so positive that you know what will happen, then do it.
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Post #16,705
11/5/01 5:16:53 PM
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yawn
still stretching.
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Post #16,710
11/5/01 5:25:17 PM
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Your fear tells all.
That's right.
You're not going to do that.
And I know why.
Because, once you refused to be scanned, security would haul your ass off to one of the rooms they keep just for that purpose and you'd be talking to the cops and/or FBI.
And they don't take these situations casually.
But that didn't happen to her.
Even with the heightened security in place.
But, feel free to make any claims you want to.
Just don't bother to back them up.
You wouldn't want that on your record.
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Post #16,711
11/5/01 5:28:09 PM
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couple of comments from the peanut gallery....
Because, once you refused to be scanned, security would haul your ass off to one of the rooms they keep just for that purpose and you'd be talking to the cops and/or FBI.
Nope. they just wouldn't let you past. They'd probably presume you were there to make a scene, they'd politely stop you, and it would only escalate if you attempted to go past them.
If you want to refuse, they'd happily let you stand there.
But, feel free to make any claims you want to.
Just don't bother to back them up.
You wouldn't want that on your record.
Check out the "Microsoft is Guilty" forum... given what you've said there today, that's rather hypocritical. (sorry for crossing forums)
Addison
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Post #16,714
11/5/01 5:35:22 PM
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So, prove it.
When I said "record", I meant police record. As I would have suspected was evident from the context.
You have your opinion of what would happen, I have mine.
Since your's would result in zero jail time, why don't you prove it?
That's all.
It shouldn't take much time. A few minutes to run up to security, attempt to pass and refuse to be scanned. It shouldn't take long at all.
PS: Don't cross forums.
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Post #16,715
11/5/01 5:39:44 PM
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Re: So, prove it.
Since your's would result in zero jail time, why don't you prove it?
Because refusing to submit to security, in an airport, is incredibly stupid.
And I don' t make a habit of doing stupid things.
Much less, to win an argument like this. Hardly worth it.
And neither is germane to the main point. Which is that her political affiliation doesn't seem to have been the reason for her problem.
PS: Don't cross forums.
You make an attack like that, while you're backpedelling and refusing to - on the same day - tough noogies. The forums get crossed, at least for the purposes of pointing that out.
Better yet, you stop with the hypocrisy.
Addison
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Post #16,719
11/5/01 5:51:08 PM
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Your fear tells all.
Nothing would happen. So you claimed.
"Because refusing to submit to security, in an airport, is incredibly stupid."
But you claimed that nothing would happen.
But you know that something would happen.
Which would prove my position.
If nothing would happen, then you have nothing to be afraid of.
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Post #16,725
11/5/01 6:03:39 PM
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Re: Your fear tells all.
"Because refusing to submit to security, in an airport, is incredibly stupid."
But you claimed that nothing would happen.
Yep, I did. I'm still pretty sure that's the case.
But you know that something would happen.
Nope. Not worth taking the chance that something might. But you're right. There's always a chance that I might be the Object Lesson of the day.
You know nothing of my "fear"s. Continue with the insults, and they will be returned, with interest compounded.
I have nothing to gain by such an act. Further, it would be rude and arrogant and insulting, and I'd damn sure be bothered as hell by some SOB such as yourself doing it.
So there's lots of downsides, not the least to my integrity. Fear's not a part.
I'm not political, and have *nothing* to gain. I don't want my name in the paper, I don't "win" in any confrontation. Unlike your subject here.
Now, the funny part, is you're so black and white here. But over in that other forum, when presented with B&W evidence contrary to your statement, you aren't.
Like I said initially, there's not a sharp edge on "rights' when it comes to lots of people, and the modern world. We've given them up, and for the most part, gained much more than we lost.
You can't walk down the interstate, legally, or bicycle down it - but its a public road. If its the only road between where you are and where you want to be, you still can't get on it, without a approved vehicle.
An *analogous* situation. You "lost" the right to progress down a public way.
The original statement by you, was due to some problem, yet undetermined the truth of that, in security, she was denied boarding. The reasons for that ability are the protection of other people's rights - something you're ignoring, totally.
Addison
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Post #16,731
11/5/01 6:38:11 PM
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That is called "fear".
"Not worth taking the chance that something might."
But nothing will happen.
"There's always a chance that I might be the Object Lesson of the day."
That is "fear".
"Continue with the insults, and they will be returned, with interest compounded."
They are not insults. I am showing that your position is in error because you will not do what you say is something that doesn't matter. Because you know what will happen. Even if you have to cloak it in terms of "unlikely possibility".
"Further, it would be rude and arrogant and insulting, and I'd damn sure be bothered as hell by some SOB such as yourself doing it."
How so? You just go to security, attempt to pass and then leave when they try to scan you.
Regarding rights:
"We've given them up, and for the most part, gained much more than we lost."
Something about giving up freedom for security and deserving neither.
"The reasons for that ability are the protection of other people's rights - something you're ignoring, totally."
I'm not ignoring them.
I just haven't seen anyone give a reason how those rights (or even what rights they were) were affected.
Like I said, neither story had anything about other passengers being "jumpy".
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Post #16,758
11/5/01 9:22:50 PM
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What fear?
And again...this is how I know you're talking out of your ass.
Airport Security is NOT a police force...they are SECURITY...they have the authority to deny me access to the area that they are tasked to SECURE.
Now...they do have the right and the authority to call a member of some police force...local or FBI...if they feel I am committing a crime...but if I walk up to security and say...no...I don't want to be scanned...they have the authority to do nothing but deny me passage.
But...of course...[link|http://209.11.43.206/businesstravelnews/travsource/search_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1035804|I don't know anything about it.]
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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