Post #16,668
11/5/01 4:29:01 PM
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Re: A "remedy"
I see tremendous parallels between MS and Standard Oil. The key
difference is that judges of the day had the fortitude to break Standard Oil
into over 40 different competing companies.
Standard Oil? Is that that repulsive profit monger that took the price of
kerosene from $6.00/gallon to $0.06/gallon? That selfish monopolist that had no
less than 147 domestic oil-refining competitors at trial time? That horrible
threat to consumers that hugely expanded production and availability while
improving quality and dropping prices? That unstoppable behemoth whose market
share at trial time was 64% and in decline for over a decade? Yeah, I can see
why those bastards had to be punished.
The remedy is to return market forces to the computer industry.
What do you call Sun, IBM, AOL, Oracle, Apple, etc.?
Bust MS up into lots of little companies.
Based on what, your desire to hurt Bill Gates' feelings?
Deprive them of ownership of MS Explorer or any other web browser.
Are you nuts? Based on what, the product tying claim the appeals court
remanded and the plaintiff dropped?
With XP, MS is moving aggressively towards gaining strangleholds on
music distribution,
You mean I won't be able to buy a CD or download an MP3 in a few months?
internet services of various types,
You mean my grandma's AOL is about to go away?
software distribution,
Please elaborate.
digital photography, [...]
Hey, if MacOS and Linux come with image editors, why can't Windows?
Any real remedy will chop Microsoft into bits no larger than the size it
was when it began licensing its software to OEM's.
Christ, why not just bomb the freaking campus? Honestly Todd, you're making
no sense at all. Show me the appeal-tested violation that even remotely
justifies breakup (and please don't bother responding with the "code
commingling" nonsense).
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Post #16,696
11/5/01 5:06:58 PM
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Totally OT
Squidley,
I don't recall seeing you around here before - could you do us all a favor and drop by the Water Cooler, and leave a little note about who you are? Kinda hard to carry on an argument with somebody that you don't know anything about... ^_^
And a fresh voice is always welcome, even if we don't necessarily agree with you.
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Post #16,756
11/5/01 9:18:16 PM
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ya mean ya dont know :)
tshirt front "born to die before I get old"
thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
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Post #16,806
11/6/01 1:05:25 AM
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Well he sure ain't DeSitter...
He hasn't started calling us all underevolved maggots that can barely comprehend his massive intellect.
Actually, I was expecting him to suddenly burst into "Here I am, brain the size of a planet..."
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Post #16,819
11/6/01 8:30:38 AM
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look at the name and member our trusted friend and snak sig
tshirt front "born to die before I get old"
thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
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Post #16,831
11/6/01 10:16:09 AM
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Doesn't seem like a match to me....
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Post #16,848
11/6/01 12:11:34 PM
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Concur
This is something new and frightening... in a *good* way.
Peter
Shill For Hire
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
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Post #16,706
11/5/01 5:17:49 PM
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Could you be more specific about your views?
Hi,
You've been very good at playing "devil's advocate" here, but I don't think you've given your own views on what should be done with MS.
If you're interested in my views, you can read some of them [link|http://pub13.ezboard.com/fiwetheyfrm117.showMessage?topicID=616.topic&index=6|here], and [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=7193|here], and a Google search will turn up many others.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #16,829
11/6/01 9:49:27 AM
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Re: Could you be more specific about your views?
I have no idea what (if anything) should be done about Microsoft. I'm not a lawyer, nor am I an economist. I refuse to run with the lynchmob, however.
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Post #16,852
11/6/01 12:41:43 PM
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So now we know
You have no opinion on what's right, but you're quite sure we're all wrong.
So now we know you're a spineless troll.
There's no point in arguing with you - you have no position other than the opposite of the person you engage.
If this were a discussion about OO programming, I'd peg you as Bryce.
I don't much care for shadow boxing.
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Post #16,861
11/6/01 1:27:38 PM
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Re: So now we know
You have no opinion on what's right, but you're quite sure we're all
wrong.
Well, you have to admit that history doesn't paint a very pretty picture of
lynch mobs.
So now we know you're a spineless troll.
Todd, please try to be a little more sensitive. For all you know, I could
have been born without a spine, or had my spine removed out of medical
necessity. I suppose you think all spineless people are trolls?
There's no point in arguing with you - you have no position other than
the opposite of the person you engage.
So you'd rather argue with someone who agrees with you?
If this were a discussion about OO programming, I'd peg you as Bryce.
Yuck. I'd much rather talk about OOLALA programming.
I don't much care for shadow boxing.
OK, how about you on air guitar and me on air drums (or vice versa)?
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Post #16,886
11/6/01 2:49:08 PM
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Why bother?
You still haven't backed up your previous troll with citations to real facts.
At the risk of borrowing from a famous python skit - contradiction isn't arguing.
As far as your lynch mob characterization - its a public outcry of dissatisfaction from the victims - of which I am most certainly one of multiple counts.
I want justice and I don't see it in the proposed settlement.
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Post #16,724
11/5/01 6:03:01 PM
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Who the fuck is this...
...arsehole, Ross under a new alias again or what?
Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
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Post #16,823
11/6/01 9:02:57 AM
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Re: Who the fuck is this...
Honey, here's all you need to know:
Name: Syndee Lou Quidley
Measurements: 44-22-36
Turn-ons: men who demand background checks before having a conversation
Turn-offs: Bill Gates (the megalomaniacal, genuinely evil house cat that terrorizes my trailer park).
And you, Sweetie?
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Post #16,832
11/6/01 10:19:51 AM
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She know CRC thats fer sure:)
tshirt front "born to die before I get old"
thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
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Post #16,846
11/6/01 12:06:13 PM
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ROFLMAO!
Ouch!
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Post #16,847
11/6/01 12:09:37 PM
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Woohoo!
Our very first ZIWT romance!
*does the happy dance*
Peter
Shill For Hire
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
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Post #16,926
11/6/01 4:00:29 PM
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I get the picture
You are good (examples above and elsewhere) at snide remarks.
But you are rather weak when it comes to providing real content, digesting material, or coming up with a real opinion.
In short you are acting like a typical troll, who confuses being snide with being profound. You are admittedly rather more competent at trolling than your average wannabe, but that doesn't improve the lack of content.
I would appreciate it if you either stop trolling or amuse yourself elsewhere. I personally prefer people who discuss their opinions to people aiming for the greatest content-free come-backs ever seen. It matters more that you are willing and able to discuss why you believe what you believe than it does that I agree with you. (In fact I prefer people who disagree with me - I am more likely to learn something from them.)
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #16,938
11/6/01 4:15:33 PM
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I didn't.. can you forward? :)
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Post #16,946
11/6/01 4:25:10 PM
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Ha!
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Post #16,976
11/6/01 4:56:55 PM
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Well it is unsigned...
But try [link|http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame29.html|here]...
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #17,005
11/6/01 6:03:04 PM
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Re: I get the picture
You are good (examples above and elsewhere) at snide remarks.
Thanks, I think.
But you are rather weak when it comes to providing real content,
Alas, my content will probably never measure up to CRConrad's seminal "Who
the fuck is this arsehole?" ([link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=16724|link]). So be it; in the immortal words of Dirty Harry, "A girl's got to know her limitations." [paraphrased].
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Post #17,033
11/6/01 6:56:35 PM
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You probably think you were flamed by Christian?
That is just his style. For a random instance, take [link|http://pub13.ezboard.com/fiwetheygeneralqa.showMessage?topicID=213.topic&index=2|this piece of advice].
But while from his writing style you wouldn't know that English is his third language, get talking to him about Pascal, Finland, given where he works he probably knows Oracle pretty well by now, etc. If you look around, he contributes plenty of real content, though certainly not in every node.
As for you, that was a compliment. I pointed out that you were good at something. Similarly, Christian is good at swearing. Both of those are talents that I would prefer you don't exercise, but they are talents. And I find that people who can develop one talent, generally can develop another if they bother.
So if you want to actually contribute something constructive, welcome. Otherwise, please find some other group of people to bother.
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #17,044
11/6/01 7:43:31 PM
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Tagging suggestions
You're coding HTML. Don't add the <p> and <br> tags. The forum software automatically adds breaks at each CR in your posted comment. I've complained about it to Scott ('admin') here, it hasn't changed yet. Another artifact is that various tags such as blockquote, ul, and ol, add copious amounts of whitespace. I also strongly encourage the use of a <blockquote type="cite"> tag rather than the /. style 'blockquote & italicize. Pixel alignment means that large blocks of italicized text are difficult to read online. By contrast, the bluelined (Mozilla, Netscape, and other browsers) quoted style of a blockquote block is quite easy to identify and remains clear to read . Note that I'm writing this set of text (beginning "I also strongly..." as one paragraph -- the breaks are all being inserted due to the tagging I employ. Peace. --
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
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Post #17,089
11/7/01 3:06:25 AM
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OK, so you aren't Ross...
...you're much too funny.
But yeah, I certainly DON'T feel obliged to talk to just any anonymous troll.
So if you want more replies from me (and this might go for more of us too), tell us just *who* the heck you are, in stead of just who you aren't.[*]
And if you *don't* want any more replies... then what the fuck are you doing here?!?
[*]: So far, I'm pretty sure you don't live in a trailer park, don't have a cat, and don't have the measurements 44-22-36... And I'd guess, from your writing style, that you aren't a gal at all, but a guy. But those are all negatives, not positives.
P.S: Thanks to Ben's link, something occurs to me: Think maybe this is our old buddy "Parallax Rebel"?
Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
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Post #17,093
11/7/01 4:32:39 AM
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Maybe even a Da-_____________?
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Post #17,094
11/7/01 4:44:30 AM
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..."Dalek"?
(i.e, WTF are you talking about, Ash?)
Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
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Post #17,095
11/7/01 5:03:41 AM
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Re: ..."Dalek"?
Maybe Dan. With a k in it too (!) Did'n wanna blow his cover so soon, but more I think about it, I doubt he'd pick this tack.
Hey.. miss O'Connor? from Oz - he of the linux-equipped Porsche, and his bot from N.I.C.E. (Nations Institute for Computing Excellence?) Twas a gas at the old IWE, an ersatz troll w/class.
Ashton
The Truth shall make you free
But first it will piss you off..
Gloria Steinem
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Post #16,737
11/5/01 7:29:58 PM
11/5/01 7:47:23 PM
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Back up your facts
with citations.
The [link|http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/bowenj/antitrust/stdoilnj.htm|vast] [link|http://europe.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9805/18/monopoly/|majority] [link|http://beginnersinvest.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bilderberg.org%2Fwhatafel.htm|of] [link|http://www.history.rochester.edu/fuels/tarbell/MAIN.HTM|sources] give Standard Oil a 90% market share.
Rockefeller played the railroads the same way MS played the PC makers.
The rest of your post is also garbage. The price of kerosene was falling because everybody was switching to gasoline to fuel the new automobiles. None of this mattered to JDR, he controlled the refineries and the shipping - crude still had to be shipped and refined - whether you crack it to kerosene or gasoline makes no difference.
Do you get it yet? Did you know MS is busy sweet-talking the RIAA with promises that if all CDs going forward ship in only MS Media Player format that their file sharing troubles will be over? And who will decide who gets MSMP code and for how much? Hmmmmm.
>What do you call Sun, IBM, AOL, Oracle, Apple, etc.?
Uh, which of these other companies are direct competitors to MS in desktop operating systems for PCs? I've seen this red herring before save it. The court didn't find them credible competition either. Thus, MS *is* a monopolist and *is* guilty of leveraging their monopoly position to try to create additional monopolies.
Oh yeah, their position makes it impossible to get funding to start a competing venture because everybody assumes that competing with MS is *not* possible because of their OS leverage and mafia-like sales tactics.
I have experienced this first hand several times and had a company I work for put out of business because MS released a free version of our product bundled with the OS after inviting us to spend significant $ porting to their new Windows platform and promising not to do such a thing.
Yeah, I'd like to see their campus bombed with effective legal remedies, lying sacks of Squidley.
-Ed note- in light of the increase scrutiny from our beloved Big Brother and the heightened security levels presently being enjoyed by our citizenry coupled with the use of my real name for a handle I added a more accurate descripting of just what sort of bombing would be desired and in now way do I now, nor have I in the past advocated actions which may result in the sudden and violent loss of property and/or life.
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