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New New cool fuel cell tech
[link|http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/07/040723090306.htm|Cool as in temperature]...

Keeping in mind that one thin film SOFC is just a fraction of the size of a human hair with an output of 0.8 to 0.9 Volts, a stack of 100 to 120 of these fuel cells would generate about 100 volts. When connected to a homeowner's natural gas line, the stack would provide the needed electrical energy to run the household at an efficiency of approximately 65 percent. This would be a twofold increase over power plants today, as they operate at 30 to 35 percent efficiency. Stand-alone household fuel cell units could form the basis for a new 'distributed power' system. In this concept, energy not used by the household would be fed back into a main grid, resulting in a credit to the user's account, while overages would similarly receive extra energy from that grid and be charged accordingly.
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New Using natural gas, too!

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New Just like Greg!
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-scott anderson

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New Now if they can get this through the red tape
Power companies will fight something like this tooth and nail. Though maybe the Enron fiasco will weaken their stance.

I'm not sure how happy the Natural gas providers will be. On the one hand it appears that natural gas is part of the process; but from some of the applications they mentioned, I get the fealing that it requires very little. On the other hand, this could actually reduce dependance on natural gas for cooking and heating, as electic applications become cheaper. There will of course still be the folks who prefer the instant heat advantage of gas stoves, so it won't be too bad.

I'd be interested in seeing if anything comes of this.
~~~)-Steven----

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He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..."

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New Cool?

I don't think so.

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However, the thin film solid oxide fuel cell has an operating temperature of 450 to 500 degrees Celsius, one half that of current SOFCs.
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The existing electrical infrastructure cannot accept power from houses. It's one-way. But you could get the house off the grid. I wonder if they take less gas when the load is lower.
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New All right, "cool" then. Much cooler than existing tech.
And the lower temp means no catalyst is required.
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-scott anderson

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New Yup.
I think the problem of putting electricity back on the grid is easily solved - solar cell panels have been doing this for years. I don't know the details though.

From a recent Applied Physics Letter (v84 p.2700, April 2004) by the group:

One of the major drives for thin-film SOFC development is the interest to reduce operating temperatures. Toward this end, the thin-film fuel cells were operated over a reduced temperature range of from 480 to 570 \ufffdC. The relationship of YSZ-based fuel cell performance with temperature is shown in Fig. 3a. The cell open-circuit voltage was over 0.8 V when connected to a testing circuit with thin gold wires, and the maximum cell output power increased with an increase in temperature varying from 30 mW/cm2 at 480 \ufffdC to a maximum power output of ~110 mW/cm2 at 570 \ufffdC. The relationship between maximum cell output and operating temperature is shown in Fig. 3b. The increase in output current with temperature indicates a semiconductorlike cell internal resistance, which decreases substantially with increasing temperature. Improving the electrolyte conductivity would be productive for the thin-film fuel cell, particularly after the electrodes and the electrode interfaces are improved.


They only present lifetime data out to 6 hours. It looks promising, but still has to be proven. Manufacturing costs may still be an issue - the raw materials aren't cheap.

The fuel cell is made of a YSZ (yttria stabilized zirconia - Y2O3+ZrO2) electrolyte deposited on a nickel foil substrate, covered with with a La0.5Sr0.5CoO3 (LSCO) cathode layer. The nickel has small holes etched in it to allow the natural gas to diffuse through the device.

As the electrons come from (or are transported by) the hydrogen in the natural gas, a larger current will require a higher natural gas flow.

More on natural gas fuel cells is [link|http://www.pnl.gov/fta/5_nat.htm|here].

Cheers,
Scott.
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