Can't really add much more to what's been said.

Post #162,583 by Meerkat 7/1/04 11:25:34 PM Reply	Can't really add much more to what's been said. But that has never stopped a Mac fan from posting in an online forum. Ever. If by emulation you mean using Virtual PC, then you may well want a PowerBook, every bit of speed helps, from what I've heard. (Which isn't a lot, but anyway...) Peter: How is Camino better than Safari? If it's faster, I'm so there. Any comments on memory usage? (384Mb doesn't go as far as it used to) Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #162,585 by drewk 7/1/04 11:27:03 PM Reply	Remember when 384Mb was a large hard drive? === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #162,594 by pwhysall 7/2/04 1:37:24 AM Reply	Re: Can't really add much more to what's been said. Seems fairly lightweight. Doesn't crash on gmail :) Gecko is still The Superior Rendering Engine. Doesn't use the "metal" style. Icon is prettier. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #162,598 by Meerkat 7/2/04 2:26:33 AM Reply	Last point does it for me - I'm sold! :-) Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #164,435 by danreck 7/14/04 2:28:20 PM Reply	Re: Can't really add much more to what's been said. Camino is a cocoa native browser. I have been using it exclusively for over a year now and have had one crash. Note, I said one crash (not kernel panic) that a simple restarting of the application fixed. It renders faster than any browser that I have used (except Opera) and doesn't include all of the other Mozilla "stuff" that Firefox and Mozilla bring to the table. Virtual PC still is S-L-O-W. It works quite nicely, even on my lowly 667MHz Ti Powerbook, but if you need Windows Emulation, save the $129-189 for SoftPC and spring a few more bucks for an E-Machine... Seriously. Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #164,442 by admin 7/14/04 3:03:46 PM Reply	What other stuff does Firefox bring? With the base install, that is? Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #164,444 by pwhysall 7/14/04 3:30:13 PM Reply	Well, I dunno. What I can tell you is that Camino eats Firefox alive for speed in the GUI. (And loading, come to that). Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #164,450 by admin 7/14/04 3:57:17 PM Reply	Firefox is probably still chock full of debug code. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #164,457 by pwhysall 7/14/04 4:10:06 PM Reply	Not native Cocoa, AFAIK. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #164,481 by danreck 7/14/04 7:33:09 PM Reply	Not a cut on Firefox... The problem with making "blanket statements" is that you have to know what the hell you're talking about. Mea Culpa. The last iteration of Firefox I looked at bundled a mail client (I think, although it may have been Navigator 7 now that I think hard about it)- now a separate entity named Thunderbird is used for mail and separate from the Firefox browser... Peter is correct in that Firefox is not Cocoa based (Aquafied) and the pages "seem" to browse slower, again, this is subjective. I will try using Firefox again and post back my new impressions as well as the latest Opera. No matter what, I can say without reservation that Opera, Mozilla, Firefox, Camino and Safari all are viable alternatives to IE if not "better browsers" for OSX. Up to this point, I have been using Camino for most everything exept the most stubborn asp shit sites for which I use Safari with the Debug menu set up to mimic IE 6 for Windows... :-) Just a few thoughts, Danno

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