Not so much a Flame

Post #161,996 by lincoln 6/28/04 7:09:02 PM Reply	Not so much a Flame as a genuine scream of frustration, like when you need to hit something and you're not in a padded room but at home with the wife and kids. Talked to the detailer this morning - the carpet has been saved, but the padding is a total loss. Now my $300 has jumped to $500, and I have an appointment with the dealer next week, cause he's too fuckin' busy to see me any earlier. "Hello. My car was in water so that I got 2 inched in the back seat. If I drive it until you have an opening, can I possibly damage the engine?" "I dunno." Fuckin' useless pus-filled primordial piece of slime dealer counter phone guy!!! lincoln "Windows XP has so many holes in its security that any reasonable user will conclude it was designed by the same German officer who created the prison compound in "Hogan's Heroes." - Andy Ihnatko, Chicago Sun-Times [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #175,957 by burningwheel_76 9/23/04 2:28:22 PM Reply	Re: Not so much a Flame here's a quarter - go call someone who gives a fuck about your carpet.. "I'm a street walking Cheetah with a hide full of napalm"
Post #175,964 by ChrisR 9/23/04 3:07:06 PM Reply	Damn Noobs! If you're gonna flame someone, why don't you pick a subject a little more recent. Don't you know your ass from a hole in the ground. Ankle biters beware!
Post #176,057 by orion 9/23/04 11:39:52 PM Reply	Let's do the time warp again! Pay Phones cost 50 cents now, please update your information. Big wheels keep on turning, proud Mary keeps on (blank)! I forget what it was, due to my car accident and head injury, can I buy a clue? Thanks. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #176,068 by drewk 9/24/04 12:23:24 AM Reply	You signed up just so you could post that? What's the matter, did you knock your Sprite into the fryolater again and got fired, so now you have nothing better to do? Tell you what: once you get your own computer and don't have to use the content-restricted login from your mom's AOL account, maybe you can visit some of the fora where they use strong language. Then maybe you'll learn that just saying "fuck" doesn't count as a flame. You have to use it more creatively, like: Shut up before I have to fuck your mother again. Did you type that on purpose, or were you fucking the keyboard? You shouldn't fuck with people having real problems until you have a few of your own. Nocturnal emmissions don't count: you'll be having them until you're all the way through puberty. Try USENET. I'm sure some people there would be happy to give you more examples. === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #176,077 by orion 9/24/04 1:18:20 AM Reply	Please don't pick on the retards not that it is wrong or anything, just that he won't be able to understand what you are saying. Use simple words, and short sentences. Burning_Wheel, does your mother know you use her AOL account? I am sorry that the other kids pick on you at school. You must learn that posting to old posts is not acceptable. Your attempt at making a flame is feeble at best. Just wait until your father hits his thumb with a hammer and then post some of the words that he uses. It is all right, we understand your condition. Take your time, think about it, go away for a while, and then come back when you learned something. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #176,083 by altmann 9/24/04 3:10:36 AM Reply	!?! [image\|http://www.applelaneminiatures.co.uk/img/ka070.jpg\|\|\|\|] -- Chris Altmann
Post #176,084 by drewk 9/24/04 3:17:42 AM Reply	ROFL ... and I don't say that lightly === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #176,155 by Arkadiy 9/24/04 11:12:38 AM Reply	This deservs to be another [Sign] ! (new thread) Created as new thread #176154 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=176154\|This deservs to be another [Sign] !] -- ... a reference to Presidente Arbusto. -- [link\|http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001417.html\|Geoffrey K. Pullum]
Post #176,159 by Silverlock 9/24/04 11:15:51 AM Reply	Bwaahhaaahaaaa! ----------------------------------------- It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand. Mike Royko
Post #176,161 by deSitter 9/24/04 11:18:08 AM Reply	ROFL -drl
Post #176,173 by Another Scott 9/24/04 11:41:12 AM Reply	Took me a while. :-D
Post #176,190 by inthane-chan 9/24/04 12:31:10 PM Reply	Great. Now I have to pick carrot chunks out of my keyboard. Powered by the Hammer of the Gods
Post #176,333 by broomberg 9/24/04 9:14:03 PM Reply	You must be a sloppy eater. You are always spewing stuff at your keyboard and screen.
Post #176,345 by ben_tilly 9/24/04 9:50:27 PM Reply	PEBKAC - he's just trying to hit the P About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra
Post #176,148 by FuManChu 9/24/04 11:06:14 AM Reply	F. N. A. (new thread) Created as new thread #176147 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=176147\|F. N. A.]
Post #176,160 by folkert 9/24/04 11:17:34 AM 9/24/04 11:54:20 AM Reply	Stop being multiples again. Here is some proof. `217.41.28.133 - - [23/Sep/2004:14:29:26 -0400] "GET /forums/render/user?username=burningwheel_76 HTTP/1.1" 200 4725 "[link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/forum/show?forumid=17\|http://z.iwethey.org...m/show?forumid=17]" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)" 2 z.iwethey.org host217-41-28-133.in-addr.btopenworld.com` Starting nmap 3.70 ( [link\|http://www.insecure.org/nmap/\|http://www.insecure.org/nmap/] ) at 2004-09-24 11:28 EDT\nInteresting ports on host217-41-28-133.in-addr.btopenworld.com (217.41.28.133):\n(The 1212 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)\nPORT STATE SERVICE\n22/tcp open ssh\n25/tcp open smtp\n80/tcp open http\n445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds\n1723/tcp open pptp\n3389/tcp open ms-term-serv\n\nNmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 98.651 seconds This is an XP machine with Terminal services available, on a Broadband connection. Give me a Freaking Break Boy. Don't make me hurt you, Boiy! I can get the logs from all the routers between you and it. After a second thought... maybe it might not be him. [link\|http://217.41.28.133/suse/login.pl?doit=login&lang=EN\| SuSE Linux Openexchange Server] on that host. I still believe it is Norm. Though. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows] Edited by folkert Sept. 24, 2004, 11:48:57 AM EDT Edited by folkert Sept. 24, 2004, 11:54:20 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #176,167 by Nightowl 9/24/04 11:31:37 AM Reply	Is it really him Greg? Because he was doing so well for awhile there, I don't think he has gone to that point... least I hope not. Nightowl >8# "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #176,178 by Nightowl 9/24/04 11:55:01 AM Reply	I'm sorry Greg I'll tell his IWT 12-step counselor. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #176,179 by deSitter 9/24/04 11:58:49 AM Reply	Ban him I'm just sick of this doodoo. -drl
Post #176,182 by ChrisR 9/24/04 12:00:28 PM Reply	He turned me into a Newt
Post #176,184 by admin 9/24/04 12:03:48 PM Reply	Be careful what you wish for... People get sick of your virulent ranting too. Should I ban you? I don't intend to ban anyone. If you're sick of it, ignore it like an adult. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #176,199 by deSitter 9/24/04 12:43:02 PM Reply	Well, it's always me at least but OK point -drl
Post #176,185 by Nightowl 9/24/04 12:09:30 PM Reply	Re: Stop being multiples again. Here is some proof. 217.41.28.133 username=burningwheel_76 I can get the logs from all the routers between you and it. After a second thought... maybe it might not be him. I still believe it is Norm. Though. Hmmmm the IP number doesn't match any that I have on my list that were confirmed as him, but I suppose it could be a new one. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, I asked him in IWT Yahoo if he was at it again. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #176,187 by hnick 9/24/04 12:25:44 PM Reply	OT: What's IWT Yahoo? Is there an analog of this place on Yahoo? Who hangs out there?
Post #176,193 by Nightowl 9/24/04 12:38:20 PM 9/24/04 12:45:55 PM Reply	Re: OT: What's IWT Yahoo? It's a Yahoo group run by Orion, and there aren't many who participate in it, mostly me, him, Trip and Tony, (both from my group). It used to be populated by multiples of Orion but recently he started the IWT 12 step with Tony coaching, and he deleted all the multiples I knew about. It's here: [link\|http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iwethey\|http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iwethey] There are a few IWWtheyers there from here, but I don't know who all is there. Brenda Edit: I forgot to add that he mentioned it up here a few times years back, and invited people to join, so I'm not revealing any privied info. "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown). Edited by Nightowl Sept. 24, 2004, 12:45:55 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #176,476 by Nightowl 9/26/04 2:23:59 PM Reply	For Your Information (new thread) Created as new thread #176475 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=176475\|For Your Information] "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #176,191 by folkert 9/24/04 12:33:13 PM Reply	The reason I say... pptp, mstse and microsoft-ds are all open ports. Typically that does indicate a machine with a remote desktop capacity, and the fact it has 22, 25 and 80 open tells me it is some one allowing these kinds of services. To me, there is enough to say: Norm took advantage of the service provided (prolly guest) and browsed here. Look up what remote desktop is (as offered by Terminal Services in WindowsXP Professional) -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #176,195 by Steve Lowe 9/24/04 12:39:01 PM Reply	You think he has the 'skill' to do that? -- Steve
Post #176,230 by folkert 9/24/04 2:11:06 PM Reply	Then tell me Steve... Do you think Script kiddies have the skill to read a step by step and launch automated attacks? All right then. Hell I could be a brain surgeon with step by step procedures. Flow-charts are good enough too. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #176,242 by Steve Lowe 9/24/04 2:52:31 PM Reply	precisely my point Most Script Kiddies are at least adept at getting a Linux system up. -- Steve
Post #176,196 by Nightowl 9/24/04 12:41:10 PM Reply	Okay, I'll ask John to help me analyze the data later He's the one who helped me before, I only know how to match IP numbers. I'm sorry if he really has regressed, Greg, but he's really upset, since my Ex-fiance called him last night and accused me of violating a restraining order that never existed in the first place (so it appears), and he upset Norman a lot. That combined with the accident and stuff, and I think he's overwhelmed. I'm trying to get some control of the situation before leaving, but I won't be here all day, so I apologize if I can't help much. And yeah, I know, I know. He ended our friendship, but what can I say, I still give a damn. ;) Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #176,200 by ChrisR 9/24/04 12:44:01 PM Reply	You need to recite the Steve Martin incantation... I break with thee... I break with thee... I break with thee... (throw dog poop on his shoes)
Post #176,201 by Nightowl 9/24/04 12:46:18 PM Reply	Hehehe! Yeah, but that's hard when you've been friends with someone over 9 years. Besides, if he hadn't told me what my Ex-fiance was up to, I wouldn't have known, so I consider that a good thing. :) Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #176,316 by Nightowl 9/24/04 8:12:06 PM Reply	Re: Okay, I'll ask John to help me analyze the data later John just looked up the IP address and said it belongs to a machine in the Netherlands or the U.K. It's doubtful it's Orion unless someone gave him access. OrgName: RIPE Network Coordination Centre OrgID: RIPE Address: Singel 258 Address: 1016 AB City: Amsterdam StateProv: PostalCode: Country: NL ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43 NetRange: 217.0.0.0 - 217.255.255.255 CIDR: 217.0.0.0/8 NetName: 217-RIPE NetHandle: NET-217-0-0-0-1 Parent: NetType: Allocated to RIPE NCC NameServer: NS-PRI.RIPE.NET NameServer: NS3.NIC.FR NameServer: SUNIC.SUNET.SE NameServer: AUTH00.NS.UU.NET NameServer: SEC1.APNIC.NET NameServer: SEC3.APNIC.NET NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET Comment: These addresses have been further assigned to users in Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in Comment: the RIPE database at [link\|http://www.ripe.net/whois\|http://www.ripe.net/whois] RegDate: 2000-06-05 Updated: 2004-03-16 # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-09-23 19:10 ----------------- Registrant: BRITISH TELECOMMUNICATIONS PLC (BTOPENWORLD-DOM) 81 NEWGATE STREET LONDON, GREATER LONDON EC1A 7AJ GB Domain Name: BTOPENWORLD.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: British Telecommunications plc (BS38-ORG) dnsreg@BT.COM PP TKS/F18/01 Trunk Exchange Sth 109-117 Long Rd Cambridge, Cambs CB2 2HG UK +44 1223 840711 fax: - +44 1223 358474 Record expires on 20-Mar-2005. Record created on 20-Mar-2000. Database last updated on 24-Sep-2004 20:07:46 EDT. We did a traceroute, and it's definitely going out to Europe. Greg, is it possible to check those logs you mentioned to see if they lead back to him? If they don't lead back to him, I feel pretty sure it isn't him. Nightowl >8# "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #176,327 by folkert 9/24/04 8:56:08 PM 9/24/04 9:24:12 PM Reply	Yes, I have already done the request for the router tween his ISP and the machine in question. I have already gotten British Telecom's logs... And they have asked me to only review these logs, not to publish them. I see the entire conversation through the final router at btopen. I see the requests to Z, I also see requests from St. Loius to Port 3389 and the use of PPTP (port 1723) for the data channel. Remote Desktop was used from St Louis to the Machine Address in Question. BTW, BTopen said they will monitor the situation and see what happens. The request to Worldcom, said it will take a couple of days. But they will get it to me. And the route to and from excluding the ending addresses: #2 ATM.VVR26.MSP1.DSL.ALTER.NET\n #3 344.at-5-0-0.CL2.DET5.ALTER.NET\n #4 0.so-0-0-0.TL2.CHI4.ALTER.NET\n #5 0.so-0-2-0.TL2.DCA8.ALTER.NET\n #6 0.so-5-0-0.CL2.IAD8.ALTER.NET\n #7 POS7-0.GW4.IAD8.ALTER.NET\n #8 bt2-gw.customer.alter.net\n #9 t2c1-ge6-2.us-ash.eu.bt.net\n#10 t2c1-p4-0.uk-eal.eu.bt.net\n#11 t2c2-ge6-1.uk-eal.eu.bt.net\n#12 166-49-168-34.eu.bt.net\n#13 core1-pos15-3.ealing.ukcore.bt.net\n#14 interconnect5-pos7-0.ealing.fixed.bt.net\n#15 inh3cs01-455.imsnet3.btopenworld.com\n#16 inh3br01-570.imsnet3.btopenworld.com\n#17 host213-1-119-39.imsnet3.btopenworld.com -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows] Edited by folkert Sept. 24, 2004, 09:24:12 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #176,350 by Nightowl 9/24/04 10:09:05 PM Reply	Thanks, please keep me posted with the results I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, but finding out it came to St. Louis makes me slightly skeptical. But I can't confront him with it on speculation, I need the concrete proof to get anywhere. Thanks. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #176,378 by folkert 9/25/04 1:20:01 AM Reply	You know... It really doesn't matter. The fact that it happened or not is of no concern anymore. I have shelved any concern for his well being. Unless you REALLY REALLY want to pursue this... Please send an e-mail to the e-mail address in the signature to request info. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #176,393 by bepatient 9/25/04 6:58:52 AM Reply	Thank you. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #176,410 by Nightowl 9/25/04 1:00:39 PM Reply	Will do Thanks Greg. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #176,207 by Nightowl 9/24/04 1:04:08 PM Reply	Orion insists it isn't him He says he uses a different ISP and a different software, he uses Knoppix not SuSE and he uses SWB. I don't know enough to verify it isn't him, but I'm trying to take him on faith. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #176,210 by ChrisR 9/24/04 1:19:05 PM Reply	Ultimately, it don't really matter I might suggest that Orion not post replies to any new user account, as it's likely to be suspicious, especially in the confines of the flame forum.
Post #176,212 by Nightowl 9/24/04 1:21:42 PM Reply	Great suggestion, Chris He said if anyone wants to talk to him about this mess, or anything else, they can come to IWT Yahoo and do it. [link\|http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iwethey\|http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iwethey] He also said Greg is welcome to check all the logs and routers, and he thinks they will vindicate him. That's up to Greg. Only other thing I can suggest is if he does come in here (he said he would try to stay away again for a little bit), and act crazy, maybe just ignore him. He really is trying, despite what anyone might believe, and the proof can be read in the Yahoo group. Catch you all later... good luck. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #176,211 by ben_tilly 9/24/04 1:19:27 PM Reply	Don't bother taking anything on faith If you want to be generous, mark it as an incident waiting for later confirmation or disproof. Don't make a big deal about it, but be very up front about how you'll react if you get direct evidence that he was lying. Given past history, I'd be inclined right now to not be generous. That is I'd assume at this point that he's probably lying. It is up to you how you would react to that. If that assumption turns out to be bad, then you can apologize later. My philosophy is that a trust that has been repeatedly broken should not be lightly given again. Ben About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra
Post #176,214 by Nightowl 9/24/04 1:25:18 PM 9/24/04 1:25:58 PM Reply	Correction, "on faith till proved otherwise" If you want to be generous, mark it as an incident waiting for later confirmation or disproof. Don't make a big deal about it, but be very up front about how you'll react if you get direct evidence that he was lying. That's more or less what I did Ben, I told him as of now, I don't see proof, but if I do, I'm gonna be upset. I didn't make a big deal, I hope. Given past history, I'd be inclined right now to not be generous. That is I'd assume at this point that he's probably lying. It is up to you how you would react to that. If that assumption turns out to be bad, then you can apologize later. True, but I've been watching him post in the Yahoo group, and I've been watching him improve there and in mine. I also know he got terribly upset last night from my Ex-fiance, and that may have unbalanced him some. But there is real evidence out there that he is trying hard. And I also feel kinda like I owe him a little, because he did warn me about my Ex's accusations. My philosophy is that a trust that has been repeatedly broken should not be lightly given again. And I agree. We haven't fixed the friendship Ben, as far as he is concerned, we still aren't "friends" in that sense, but we're still communicating, and obviously there is still a caring feeling on both sides, or he wouldn't have warned me last night. Have a good day. :) Brenda Edit: corrected subject line "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown). Edited by Nightowl Sept. 24, 2004, 01:25:58 PM EDT Expand All History

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