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New Two such eloquent posts as these
- demonstrate once again why zIWE is amongst the tiny-few civilized oases, in the Era of Cant.
Ain't real English Great ?!

Nor will I take on, either - the personalization of the Unknowable, by any one of the various names, each-one being thought by millions to be, The Only One worth attending.

What I think defines "The Problem" of making any such decisions as the sort at hand - is the same one which creates so many other massive and massively obnoxious polarizations (instead of humane and profound discussion, followed by *mutually defended* Rights! for Each Person to finally, Choose As S/He Will):

Techno is way-advanced over social convention; ethos, logos and mythos. Our '04 'Gods' are not of our Modern Myths, and most humans appear to Need myth, in order to emulate an invisible Authority -- for the rilly Tough choices as appear. Most..

Of course! the ancient myths cannot extrapolate to today's options.. except via treating the connotation of a metaphor as if it were the denotation == Fundamentalist, literal interpretation of {variously extracted.. multiply-translated words} of 7?-25+ centuries ago.

And those of us living now, but not under the thrall of any one of the various warring God-names: we too must live amidst this endless Right/Wrong Good/Evil worldwide! polarization .. the root expression of that metaphysical "world-of-duality"!

So What To Do ??? - when it's *your* pregnancy. And you live 'here'.

There IS no Single "Right | Good" Answer for all. Until that Fact is fully comprehended, grokked-to-Fullness.. Realized! - all (I can see, that) an honest person can do in the interim is:

FIGHT AGAINST any effort to impose theological homilies upon citizens of a Nation which began from the Clearly Enunciated Decision NOT-ever to become a Theocracy.

..and make Your Own Decision, which will be unlike any other person's decision, because: no one Else is You.

ie. There can be no man abortion /verbose -- at least, that I can imagine.


Ashton
New Since we're nearly "IRCing"
I didn't have a chance to read your post before my last one. Thank you for the kind words. By what's happened to me over the last two years, I've become quite knowledgeable on this particular subject. I think I cut to the heart of what I was "waxing" on in my reply below. That most of these "genetic" amnio abortions are Down Syndrome. And now that I am personally involved, I don't take too kindly to folks politicizing (sp?) this particular issue.

The reason I'm so moved is that we didn't have the test done. Had we, I would have probably insisted that she have an abortion. I almost did that anyway (not knowing anything at all about the baby) for financial reasons. I feel profound guilt for having felt that way ... to this day.

I sometimes wonder if there is a sadistic bastard god up there, if only to have someone to blame for things. Then, I realize that there's too much work to get done and let those thoughts float right out of my mind.

As per Aristotle, I would love to see the logos at least get some passing lip service in the daily diatribe... but as you so succinctly point out, it has no place in a polarized world. As Paul Lazarus once said... nah... I have "fairyland" emblazened in the back of my skull. Hi ho. And so on... I'm going to the beach this week... Atlantic ocean. Beer... Children.

They said my name was Rudolph Waltz and that was that. Year after year they pile on detail upon detail. They never shut up. (Page 1, Deadeye Dick)

Sorry for being a poor correspondent. I miss you guys.
Just a few thoughts,

Danno
New I've only had one reassuring thought in that whole debate.
I sometimes wonder if there is a sadistic bastard god up there, if only to have someone to blame for things.


I figure, if there's some omnipotent being that created us, that it is treating us with the respect that a parental figure treats an adult - it lets them make their own mistakes, instead of condescending or coddling the child.

And quite frankly, that's the way I like that relationship, if it exists.
Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.
Expand Edited by inthane-chan June 24, 2004, 10:54:06 AM EDT
     Abortion question becoming even more complex - (JayMehaffey) - (24)
         first you have to define defect - (boxley) - (2)
             Not 100% accurate - (JayMehaffey)
             Re: first you have to define defect - (danreck)
         Can see only exponential stickiness coming - - (Ashton) - (2)
             They might be complaining now, but just wait - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                 Hey! yer no fun - (Ashton)
         World-wide the most commonly acted-on data is... - (ben_tilly) - (3)
             Somewhere below that - (JayMehaffey) - (2)
                 Don't know that "Correctable problem" is in the right spot - (hnick) - (1)
                     ..esp. when the AMA def'n of "cancer / or other cure" - (Ashton)
         I have a question for you... - (danreck) - (13)
             play the hand you are dealt, sometimes you fold -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                 Can't always fold, though. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                     I think fold = die in this case - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                         Folding is a choice. - (pwhysall)
             Not that clear cut - (JayMehaffey) - (4)
                 Two such eloquent posts as these - (Ashton) - (2)
                     Since we're nearly "IRCing" - (danreck) - (1)
                         I've only had one reassuring thought in that whole debate. - (inthane-chan)
                 Re: Not that clear cut - (danreck)
             Downs or no... - (pwhysall) - (3)
                 Yep. - (inthane-chan) - (2)
                     You haven't been watching Fear Factor, have you? -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                         Nope, there they eat the worms. -NT - (inthane-chan)

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