Post #158,555
6/5/04 5:04:07 PM
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Gipper gone
On such an occasion it behooves us to attempt not to speak ill of the dead, so I will praise Ronald Reagan for being somewhat less odious than the incumbent. That is all.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #158,556
6/5/04 5:14:54 PM
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Let us celebrate one of his famous utterances, then:
Are you better off than you were four years ago ?
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Post #158,583
6/5/04 8:58:28 PM
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My favorite, Reagan speaking in Berlin in 1987, is:
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
Alex
Honor has not to be won; it must only not be lost. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860), German philosopher
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Post #158,561
6/5/04 6:37:36 PM
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Re: Gipper gone
His end was fitting. His Party makes Nixon look positively benign. I won't miss him. A fatuous blowhard in love with his own reflection.
-drl
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Post #158,563
6/5/04 6:46:17 PM
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Unlike the other sentiments expressed
I liked him as a president as his message was an America of hope and vision, unfortunately he let a lot of the current administrations suspects try to implement his vision. RIP
thanx,
bill
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Post #158,569
6/5/04 7:00:49 PM
6/5/04 7:01:03 PM
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An America full of hope and vision?
What hope? What vision? A stupid greeting-card illusion about some damn hill city? It sure as hell wasn't the Acropolis - more like Metropolis. He set the mold for all the chickenhawks to follow - of course he didn't actually fight in the Great War himself. No, that might mess up his hair.
What the hell have we actually accomplished since the Conmen came to town? This horrible man took the point in marching us all over the cliff.
-drl
Edited by deSitter
June 5, 2004, 07:01:03 PM EDT
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Post #158,827
6/7/04 1:02:02 PM
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Sure...Lots of Hope and Vision
A Hope that he didn't get caught with his owm mitts in the Iran-Contra cookie jar.
A Vision of Heinz Ketchup occupying its own level on the Food Pyramid (no, that's not a game show)
jb4
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Post #158,852
6/7/04 3:22:16 PM
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Keep Kerry's wife out of it :)
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Post #158,575
6/5/04 7:35:42 PM
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Nice sentiments.
Unlikely to be shared by many of the folks around here.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #158,591
6/5/04 10:00:35 PM
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Re: Nice sentiments.
I'm sorry, the shredding of the Constitution and the sacking of the Treasury is not an occasion for fond remembrance.
-drl
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Post #158,592
6/5/04 10:01:20 PM
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reagan did neither, it was clinton and bush that did both
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Post #158,594
6/5/04 10:15:18 PM
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He created both trends
Yes, Clinton was if possible even worse than Reagan and Bush, with Shrub even worse yet. A destroyed office is not going to attract a sane person.
-drl
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Post #158,640
6/6/04 1:01:00 PM
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Try some arithmetic.
Add all the deficits of all Presidents up to Reagan. Then add Reagan's deficits. Guess which number is bigger? "Didn't sack the Treasury" my ass.
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #158,660
6/6/04 5:14:48 PM
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But, the Soviet Union came apart at the seams because of him
And to quote Martha, "That's a good thing!"
Alex
Honor has not to be won; it must only not be lost. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860), German philosopher
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Post #158,693
6/6/04 10:35:12 PM
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Not true
The SU was collapsing already in the 70s. Why? Because they could not produce anything anyone else wanted to buy. The thing died of being too heavy, cumbersome, and consumptive to remain fed - in spite of the well-established brilliance of Russian scientists and engineers and industry of their workers. The Soviet SYSTEM died like a weed that had grown too large to be supported by its shallow roots. The social experiment of Marxist-Leninism had failed. Anyone might have been at the helm - thank Bog it was Gorbachev instead of Stalin.
We are now engaged in an equally wrong-headed and disastrous social experiment at the hands of the Radical Republicans - enforced, soulless, blind equalism that erases individual merit and reduces everything to numbers and bottom lines - Marxist-Leninism in another guise. It too will fail all by itself. When WE fail, let's hope we have our own Gorbachev to intone the eulogy.
-drl
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Post #158,726
6/7/04 1:12:28 AM
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Not that some of what you say about SU wasn't true...
but, Reagan ratcheted up the defense spending and scared them with "Star Wars". They could not match that.
He also ridiculed them in an effective way.
The domestic policy was a horse of a different color.
Alex
Honor has not to be won; it must only not be lost. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860), German philosopher
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Post #158,728
6/7/04 1:16:20 AM
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We outspent them.
Best engineers and scientists all dedicated to the military machine that couldn't keep up to ours.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #158,873
6/7/04 6:14:26 PM
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And spent ourselves out of existence as well.
bcnu,
Mikem
If you can read this, you are not the President.
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Post #158,890
6/7/04 7:29:30 PM
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jury still out..
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #158,904
6/7/04 8:40:32 PM
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A convenient fiction
Not the part about the US spending money like a drunken sailor. The part about it's significance in respect to the collapse of the Soviet empire. A factor of course, but not remotely the decisive one.
The Beatles had more consequence.
-----------------------------------------
It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why?
Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand.
Mike Royko
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Post #158,906
6/7/04 8:51:11 PM
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RIght.
Ringo did it.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #158,786
6/7/04 10:48:48 AM
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Blah, blah. blah
You're old enough to have lived in 70s. Do you really remember SU collapsing then? Guess what, neither do I. May be I was under 10, but I _lived_ there.
Anyone who hates Soviet Union (and that really should include every sane person on Earth) has to respect the man who killed the Beast dead. He was the one who had the guts to call a spade a spade, and then proceed to break it for good. People around him were oh so sure that Soviet System is immortal, is the "radiant future of the whole humanity" or at least a permanent factor in the world. He saw it a vulnerable then, just as clearly as you seet its vulnerability now.
Thank you, President Reagan.
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Buy high, sell sober.
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Post #158,790
6/7/04 10:55:05 AM
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*applause*
+5 insightful.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #158,896
6/7/04 8:05:40 PM
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Sorry bud, you weren't here
Intelligence of S capability was always vastly inflated, again to justify monster defense budgets. Containment destroyed the SU, not profligacy.
-drl
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Post #158,721
6/7/04 12:41:19 AM
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How quickly you forget
War on Drugs
October Surprise
Iran-Contra Affair
None of these affected the Constitution? And it was under Reagan's watch that the USA went from being the biggest net exporter in the world to running the biggest trade deficit in the world.
While Reagan's excesses have been topped since, they certainly lowered our standards considerably.
Cheers,
Ben
PS Reagan's record looks even worse if you count people supported who've since turned into blowback. People who include Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.
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Post #158,727
6/7/04 1:15:17 AM
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Nice try.
Trade Deficit went south of the border under Carter. Its never been back since. The only President to improve the deficit since Carter was Bush Sr. The explosive decompression of the deficit occurred under Clinton.
[link|http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/crisis/2003/tradebalchart.htm|http://www.globalpol...tradebalchart.htm]
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Post #158,730
6/7/04 1:27:41 AM
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This is just false
Keeping up the military machine is as much a drain on us as it was on them (look around you if you want to see the results). The difference was not a matter of pressure, but temperature - their economy burned out ON ITS OWN. This fiction that "Reagan won the Cold War by outspending the Russians" is astoundingly bad history.
This is another reason why you do not piss away your treasury and energy on large standing armies.
-drl
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Post #158,732
6/7/04 1:37:14 AM
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Did you respond to the wrong post?
What Bill said above is not simply false. There was a trade deficit when Reagan started in office, not a surplus. I had that wrong. Bill pointed that out. There was no discussion of politics with the USSR there.
I haven't been able to verify his claim that deficits started on Carter's watch though.
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #158,733
6/7/04 1:41:05 AM
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Oops - had both open - put this under beep "outspent"
-drl
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Post #158,734
6/7/04 1:52:52 AM
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I gave you the pictures.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #158,735
6/7/04 1:59:33 AM
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It is a vast simplification.
But it is not as patently false as you want it to be.
You are indeed correct in assuming that the soviet economy was caving in on itself, however the vast amount of resources required to keep pace with us was a HUGE drain on their foreign currency reserves, it created "false" shortages of necessary living products, etc...
THe spending itself would not have killed a functional economy (that quickly...as the jury is still out on what it has done to ours)...but one so hobbled from poor central planning and a desperate lack of liquid currency...well you can see what happened.
However...that level of spending did indeed speed things along quite nicely.
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Post #158,731
6/7/04 1:28:34 AM
6/7/04 1:34:54 AM
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I definitely made a mistake
I was reaching for Lester Thurow's remark, ...the epitaph of the Reagan presidency will be: 'When Ronald Reagan became President, the United States was the largest creditor nation. When he left the presidency, we were the world's largest debtor nation.' Which is true. But we were already on the path from creditor to debtor in 1980. A fact that I got wrong.
As for the explosion in the trade deficit under Clinton, you'll note that I did mention that Reagan's excesses have been topped since. That would be an example.
Cheers,
Ben
Update: I've been searching for when we went to having a trade deficit. Apparently it happened in 1971 under Nixon. I don't know if we went back positive during the 70's though, we might well have.
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Edited by ben_tilly
June 7, 2004, 01:34:54 AM EDT
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Post #158,736
6/7/04 2:00:53 AM
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Bounced around zero till the oil crisis
Never been back there since.
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Post #158,875
6/7/04 6:17:21 PM
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IIRC, we became a debtor nation in 1982.
For the first time in decades. Then, Reagan really ratched up spending.
First term: From World's largest Creditor to Debtor.
Second term: From debtor to World's largest Debtor.
That is what the Neocon's call "Economic Revival".
bcnu,
Mikem
If you can read this, you are not the President.
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Post #158,883
6/7/04 6:46:31 PM
6/7/04 6:47:39 PM
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Actually, trade deficits started before Carter.
back in '71...and they've been following the curve ever since.
[link|http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/historical/gands.txt| source ]
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Post #158,888
6/7/04 7:28:14 PM
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They bounced a bit early....
...then headed straight south in the Carter era (not blaming it on him by the way...thats when opec flexed)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #158,668
6/6/04 7:23:58 PM
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Nice to see...
...that my read on this group remains accurate.
And a comitted lack of understanding. Yes the gipper cut taxes. Government revenue went up. Congress spent it all, plus lots more.
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Post #158,567
6/5/04 6:53:54 PM
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Gone but not forgotten
While I didn't agree with his economics theory, and some of the things he did, he did have my respect. I got to admit, he was a likable character, like he was an old friend of ours.
He just rode off into the sunset, like he said he would. Nothing more I can say.
"What's the use of saving life when you see what you do with it?" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #158,574
6/5/04 7:22:22 PM
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Re: Gone but not forgotten
No, he didn't ride off into the fucking sunset you insufferable twit, he expired drooling, incontinent and unsentient. Jesus H. Christ, Norm, get a brain!
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Post #158,577
6/5/04 7:40:12 PM
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Take a breath ferchrissakes.
Or is this "read everthing literally" day and I missed the damned memo?
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #158,588
6/5/04 9:55:04 PM
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ignore the californicators
remember to them he was guvner raygun who passed the first anti gun legislation when black folk toted their huntin rifles to the capitol.
thanx,
bill
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Post #158,593
6/5/04 10:09:43 PM
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I'll claim them for once
Reagan completed the destruction of the office begun by Nixon. Oddly it was a Republican - Eisenhower - who warned about the dangers of the unholy marriage of military and industry. Reagan wiped his ass on this principle.
Result - since MILIND needs to consume fear and convert it into targets, when the targets are all taken we go looking for new targets. So we manufacture struggles like Vietnam and Iraq out of whole cloth, and wonder why things go wrong. Either that, or beat the shit out of Panama or Grenada. No Hilters are left to actually fight, and freedom is not at stake (unless you live here), so imaginary crises must be constantly stirred up to justify the spending. Who cares if the Bosnians and Serbs savage each other? It's just a body count.
Consequence - instead of cementing a relationship with the former Soviet Union and eastern bloc, we gloat - GLOAT - about how noble was our purpose and keep stirring shit everywhere instead of actually trying to make peace and freedom work.
-drl
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Post #158,723
6/7/04 12:47:43 AM
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Not entirely so odd
The Civil Rights movement in the 60's took the Democrats away from their political roots, which was exploited by the Republicans starting with Nixon. The result over the following generation was almost a complete switch in the two parties.
Once this is understood, other odd things are then explained. Like why it is that lots of people who hate the North for the Civil War now vote for the party that lead the North into that war.
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #158,687
6/6/04 9:39:08 PM
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missed memo
From what I've seen of your posts the past eighteen months, you've missed every single memo since 1980.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #158,688
6/6/04 10:07:30 PM
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Love you too, sweetheart.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #158,692
6/6/04 10:29:23 PM
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<smoochies>
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Post #158,641
6/6/04 1:02:46 PM
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"He expired drooling, incontinent and unsentient."
Just as he served as President.
bcnu,
Mikem
If you can read this, you are not the President.
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Post #158,788
6/7/04 10:51:16 AM
6/7/04 10:53:18 AM
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This is just plain rude and uncivil.
I sure hope you feel better on your deathbed.
(Edit: read rcareaga post - I guess I should have been angry at him. Then again, to be angry at someone responding to Norm is a bit hard. Thus the shades of gray overtake us)
--
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Edited by Arkadiy
June 7, 2004, 10:53:18 AM EDT
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Post #158,792
6/7/04 10:58:21 AM
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No gray.
It was uncivil. Period.
Not warranted. At all.
"Riding off into the sunset" is hollywood slang for kicking the bucket...I guess its just not highbrow enough to register with some...deciding on the more terse description.
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Post #158,798
6/7/04 11:08:48 AM
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rcareaga. Norm. Uncivil.
What else is new?
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Post #158,803
6/7/04 11:17:23 AM
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Norm? s/Norm/Mikey
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Post #158,805
6/7/04 11:38:41 AM
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The RC's reply was to Norm
RC is normally exquisitely civil. But something about Norm just makes him see red.
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Post #158,808
6/7/04 11:40:22 AM
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I'd missed that. Got it.
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Post #158,796
6/7/04 11:05:11 AM
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what else would you expect from someone who thinks
Stalin was an agrarian reformer?
thanx,
bill
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Post #158,812
6/7/04 12:15:12 PM
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Stalin as agrarian reformer?
Oh, come now. You will search my utterances here in vain, mein Box, for any such characterization of the old monster.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #158,814
6/7/04 12:18:36 PM
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refering to mikey, not you :0
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Post #158,876
6/7/04 6:19:07 PM
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Challenge: Find me saying something nice about Stalin.
And sarcasm doesn't count.
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #158,882
6/7/04 6:40:47 PM
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here
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=31340|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=31340] where you surmise as one of his leutenants
thanx,
bill
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Post #158,897
6/7/04 8:05:58 PM
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Reading for Comprehension 101.
"You can still find some apologists for Stalin who..."
is hardly an example.
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #158,877
6/7/04 6:20:06 PM
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Sorry. I forgot.
Nancy told him, "Tell them we're doing the best we can do." And he repeated the line exquisitely. :-p
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #158,879
6/7/04 6:24:38 PM
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IIRC...
It was, "We're doing everything we can."
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #158,898
6/7/04 8:06:45 PM
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Maybe you're OK with having your country destroyed
We're not.
-drl
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Post #158,899
6/7/04 8:07:25 PM
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*** KUDOS ***
bcnu,
Mikem
If you can read this, you are not the President.
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Post #158,971
6/8/04 10:30:33 AM
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Among other things, it's being devoured by the lack of
civility.
And, reminding someone that his country was destroyed is just more of the same. Not that I give a damn - it was not _my_ country.
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Buy high, sell sober.
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Post #158,975
6/8/04 10:35:32 AM
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Not true
The right-wing cannot be appeased. Every real patriot despises these people. They are NOT America.
-drl
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Post #158,977
6/8/04 10:39:12 AM
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A good standing reply to any post, I guess.
No brain work required.
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Post #158,978
6/8/04 10:39:33 AM
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Well...since Reagan was a Republican..
...and not a true Goldwater Republican (due to an out of control legislature and an understanding the the country actually does have a judeo-christian ethic)...Ross will have nothing nice to say in this thread.
Reagan's impact on this country cannot be understated. Even current Democrats recognize this.
Still, I don't expect alot of recognition of these facts from this crowd. Too busy trying to invent conspiricies.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #158,981
6/8/04 10:44:17 AM
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The facts speak for themselves
Government by illusion always fails.
-drl
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Post #158,985
6/8/04 10:52:00 AM
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So that speaks for Clinton.
I thought we were on the gipper
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Post #158,987
6/8/04 10:55:58 AM
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Worse than Reagan, tied with Bush 1
And yes, he also was a master illusionist. America at present has no effective government because the People are too stupid, lazy, and venal to give a shit about their history. All government, Dem and Repo, is cast in the illusionist mold - thanks to Reagan and his damnable ilk.
-drl
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Post #159,019
6/8/04 1:20:59 PM
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From the UK...
...it looks like your past 4 presidents have been useless wankers of the first water, without exception.
Peter
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Post #159,025
6/8/04 2:09:39 PM
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does margaret wank?
You lot seemed to keep electing her.
thanx,
bill
Anchorage AK: House for sale 3 bed 1 bath 1440 sq feet huge lot near Cheney Lake 175K FSBO 813.273.3518
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Post #159,029
6/8/04 2:18:24 PM
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We do?
Funny, that. I thought we elected a Labour government in 1997 (sheesh, only 7 years ago) which has maintained a decent economic record, a reasonable social justice record, and which has an irrational love of speed cameras.
You KEEP ELECTING fuckwits term in, term out; in fact, I'd go so far to say you've not had a president worthy of the name since Kennedy.
Peter
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Post #159,036
6/8/04 2:39:10 PM
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Johnson presided over civil rights
Nixon broke bread with china, Reagan assisted in the breakup of the USSR. Carter got the camp david accords going and yer right about the rest.
thanx.
bill
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Post #159,193
6/9/04 11:54:43 AM
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ICLRPD
I thought we elected a Labour government in 1997 (sheesh, only 7 years ago) which has maintained a decent economic record, a reasonable social justice record, and which has an irrational love of speed cameras. Damn the prohibition on political LRPDs. This one trancends politics, and deserves its rightful place... jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #159,194
6/9/04 11:55:26 AM
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Blasted checkboxes.....**mumble**
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #159,355
6/10/04 12:22:08 PM
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You see? LRPD defends itself; enforces polito-prohibition!
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Post #158,983
6/8/04 10:50:21 AM
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Who is underestimating it?
Did I above point out the he spent two superpowers out of existence?
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #159,062
6/8/04 4:49:56 PM
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Re: Even current Democrats recognize this.
Kerry will be paying a visit to Reagan Library this afternoon.
Alex
Honor has not to be won; it must only not be lost. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860), German philosopher
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Post #159,192
6/9/04 11:52:04 AM
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Well, we agree on this one thing:
Reagan's impact on this country cannot be understated. Even current Democrats recognize this. Quite right. Sorta like the impact of a Mohammed Ali uppercut on Sonny Liston's jaw... jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #158,579
6/5/04 8:08:23 PM
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He's probably with Princess, uh, David.. um, Princess Diane.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #158,581
6/5/04 8:15:53 PM
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Shrub speaks
Just heard That Man speaking in Paris about RR's demise. He said that RR fought tyranny. He pronounced it "TIE-ran-ee."
Of course, this is the bipedal primate who last month asserted that ""Iraq is now free from one of the most bloodiest tyrants the world has ever known."
Is our children learning?
The Thugs will attempt to wrap 43 in 40's star-spangled shroud. They would do well to remember RR Junior's observation last year, anent attempts to draw that comparison, that "my father crapped bigger ones than that."
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #158,584
6/5/04 9:04:06 PM
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Re: "TIE-ran-ee."
What did you expect with a word of more than two syllables?
Alex
Honor has not to be won; it must only not be lost. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860), German philosopher
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Post #159,188
6/9/04 11:02:19 AM
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Somebody needs a hug.
Don't you just hate it when your favorite thugs get pushed from power? All those damn Eastern Europeans living in freedom, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Oh, and to rub a little salt in the wound, you all those people who got their hands cut off in Abu Ghraib? Oh wait, that was Saddam did that, so I guess you've done your best not to know about it. Well, anyway, they're getting prosthetics, thanks to the Evil Empire. Isn't that awful? Saddam chopped off those hands fair and square, and those Yankee thugs come along and put them back on.
Buck up. There's a nice bloody genocide going on in Sudan to warm the cockels of your heart. The UN is making sure it won't end anytime soon. Take comfort in the Janjaweed. You're probably already taking comfort in the ganja weed.
You'd better have a lot of fresh hankies handy when Kim Jong-Il finally gets toppled and his adoring people get to eat something other than grass for a change.
The Left has been manipulating the press snd TV news just like in the old times. But it's not working like it used to, because we're wise to that sort of thing now. Our children is learning, and there's nothing you can do about it. Boy, I'm using that phrase a lot. It seems to be so appropriate so often.
"It's time for the diggers of graves for them to get that final shove" - Bruce Cockburn, probably not grasping the implications at the time
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Iraq is free, and there's nothing you can do about it. DEAL WITH IT.
Americans: a pack, not a herd.
Never mind the nerve gas. Where's the, um...
"It\ufffds Warholian: in the future, all conflicts will be Vietnam for 15 minutes." - Lileks
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Post #159,196
6/9/04 12:07:12 PM
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Image hosted by Angelfire. <- YUO = TEH SUKC.
Peter
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Post #159,218
6/9/04 1:02:37 PM
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Er, Peter...
...as much as our fedora'd friend may be showing his true technical wizardry by such, let's leave the 1337speak for the kidz over at genmay.net?
Thanks,
Me
Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.
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Post #159,220
6/9/04 1:06:09 PM
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You fail.
That's not l33tsp34k.
That's Jeffspeak.
And it's entirely appropriate to the task at hand.
Peter
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Post #159,242
6/9/04 2:48:51 PM
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Yup, we don't keep up with lusers. Nor do we care.
To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act
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Post #159,255
6/9/04 3:32:11 PM
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Clearly you do :)
Peter
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Post #159,260
6/9/04 4:29:23 PM
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No. I just haven't classified you as a luser. Yet.
To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act
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Post #158,585
6/5/04 9:42:20 PM
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I often quote him
In the immortal word of RR:
Trust, but verify
It is a very important part of my everyday life as people lie to me, all the time.
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Post #158,589
6/5/04 9:57:03 PM
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well having met you I can understand the lying
"well of course I did that do you think Im an idiot?" followed by a muttered "Oh shit"
thanx,
bill
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Post #158,617
6/6/04 3:50:56 AM
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Borrowed from the Russ, of course
I recall his glee at managing to *pronounce ~'doverai ni proverai' during whatever meeting that was. Dunno if Gorby taught it to him, or one of the attending droids picked it up and passed it to the Gipper.
* I remember having the impression that he'd probably been bandying that cuteness about all day; it was in the eyes of the nearby folk, when he said it Again.
I'd deem it highly unlikely that he could assemble any similarly pithy phrase and.. he didn't. Actors read lines, they don't often write them.
Ashton
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Post #158,701
6/6/04 10:53:59 PM
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I disagree
He wasn't that stupid.
Yes, he was an actor 1st, but I don't know of any puppet masters, as compared to our current idot in chief.
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Post #158,704
6/6/04 11:23:48 PM
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He was an emotional moron
With individual people he was inhumanly remote even before his nearly Grecian fate. His communication skills were coextensive with his acting skills. His administration and the current shape of politics are like an early film noir. Maybe I'll support the Claude Raines/Ann Sheridan ticket.
-drl
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Post #158,747
6/7/04 4:20:45 AM
6/7/04 5:01:54 AM
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His first wife,
Jane Wyman - will/has confirm/-ed that, maybe in the exact words. IIRC she was no dummy; (nobody can explain the madness that sometimes hooks up a dummy + a non-dummy). She left. That's about all one can do. [Edit] As to tickets: Dick Feynman and [link|http://www.inventions.org/culture/female/lamarr.html|Hedy Lamarr] [she is said to have been *brilliant* - when that word hadn't become Ad-Muricanized.] Her discrete nude scenes in Ecstacy in '33 natch drew the stimulus/response Puritannical character assassination from the Yahoos, and of course her intellectual capabilities would have zero relevance to pop psych. I doubt that many then/now had/have an inkling about her smarts.. "Any girl can be glamorous," Hedy Lamarr once said. "All she has to do is stand still and look stupid." The film star belied her own apothegm by hiding a brilliant, inventive mind beneath her photogenic exterior. In 1942, at the height of her Hollywood career, she patented a frequency-switching system for torpedo guidance that was two decades ahead of its time. Love. It. and Her. As you well know, RPF's 'humanity', his vast interest across many fields, would have suited him well for the office (who knows, really! - if this gedanken experiment could occur on some sane orthogonal Multiverse - if he'd take the job) Oh well, back to ~3600 HOURS before we determine just how suicidal are our fellowMurican sheep. Bummer.
Edited by Ashton
June 7, 2004, 05:01:54 AM EDT
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Post #158,748
6/7/04 4:46:24 AM
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Re: His first wife,
She's alive:
[link|http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0943837/|http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0943837/]
I thought she was hot in
[link|http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041550/|http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041550/]
in those short shorts. Wow.
-drl
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Post #158,749
6/7/04 5:11:52 AM
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Checkout my Edit, above _____:-\ufffd
[link|http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6101561106&category=50790| "Jane Wyman Was Right"] political pin..
[link|http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3819086196&category=18826| Not too shabby not-in shorts]
Find it hard to imagine how she managed to miss the shallowness, at Date 2.
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Post #158,612
6/6/04 1:36:16 AM
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Re: Gipper gone
I was 9 when Reagan came into office, and 17 when he left. Here's what I'll remember of Reagan:
1. The October Surprise (Reagan's camp making deal with Iran to hold hostages until after Carter loses election - any idea on how "tin foil hat" this story is?)
2. The speech after the Challenger explosion - "The crew of the space shuttle Challenger honored us by the manner in which they lived their lives. We will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for their journey and waved good-bye and "slipped the surly bonds of earth" to "touch the face of God.""
3. Iran-Contra
4. Star Wars
5. Ballooning budget deficits
6. The ATC strike bust
7. "Tear down this wall!"
8. "The bombing begins in five minutes."
9. Nancy and the astrologer
That's what sticks in my mind about him.
(Please note, I'm just trying to say what I remember, not judge the man at this time. History will do that for us, if the truth is allowed out.)
Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.
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Post #158,631
6/6/04 10:00:55 AM
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The Good, they do die young...
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Post #158,756
6/7/04 6:21:23 AM
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Tis only today I twigged. Ifn u'd said Teflon, Ida known who
I like the old bastard. Not many can smile to the nation while they wipe people out (Contras in Nicaragua).
Not many can look congress in the face - tell them a barefaced lie, & get clean away with it despite everyone knowing the he lied (IRAN Affair).
I still liked him. They didn't call him the teflon pres for nothing.
History will judge him kindly, although he was the face of the people who took down the USSR. That has it good and bad sides (I lean to the good).
Ahh well - he made life interesting.
Doug M
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Post #158,829
6/7/04 1:17:21 PM
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Perhaps a bit TOO kindly...
...There's a move afoot (driven by idol-worshiping Neocons, of course) to put his condecendingly sneering mug on the dime.
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #158,889
6/7/04 7:29:15 PM
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..perhaps on the new Rationing Stamps?
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Post #158,825
6/7/04 12:58:20 PM
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Damning w/ faint praise, are we?
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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