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New Homework assignment
Broaden your mind, bluke.

Post an equal number of equivalent links from the Israeli perspective, showing an equivalent degree of intolerance. Likewise, four tolerant Israeli perspectives, and four tolernat Palestinian perspectives.

I'll get you started with [link|http://freshair.npr.org/guestInfoFA.cfm?name=chrishedges|an interview with Chris Hedges] of The New York Times. He describes a group of Palestinian children, playing on a hill. They are taunted over a loudspeaker by Israeli soldiers. When the children start hurling stones toward the armoured jeep, the soldiers open fire on the children.

I didn't say the PA is right or blameless. There's plenty on both sides to go around. The solution is going to start when both sides can look beyond their own injuries. I strongly encourage you to start the process.
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
New Trouble seems to be
that we are all partisans for 'our side' (no matter how vague or just plain wrongly-formed is our illusion of 'a side'). When violence starts - so does the hunkering down and the huge pressure for speech to conform. Tribe.

Only in Heinlein exists there a Fairwitness. (my sig. on eBay electronic trades ;-)

Academia is supposed to be a safe haven for such - but we saw the loyalty oaths in the '50s and I predict: coming soon, starting in the Islamic Studies depts. (Perhaps this time we won't emulate the firing of the Russian experts in State [must be Commies] - but maybe Arabic speakers had best prepare to burn notes next?)

deja vu, even in my brief tenure in 'our' illusionary world. We don't learn shit; have to wade through it again and again.



Ashton
New No comparison
There is a fundamental difference here. You may find cases where soldiers do things wrong (I seem to recall allegations against Canadian soldiers on a peacekeeping mission), however in the PA the government is sponsoring an incitement campaign against Israel and Jews. The government sponsored TV broadcasts sermons calling for the people to kill Jews, as does the government sponsored newspapers. Do Israeli TV/Radio/Newspapers do the same? In fact, one of the complaints about Israeli radio and TV is that they interview Palestinians and provide a platform for their propaganda (look at what is happening in the US with Bin Laden and Al Jazeera). Read Haaretz, (a popular left-wing Israeli newspaper, you can read it in English www.haaretzdaily.com), some of the columnists for that paper are more critical of Israel then the Palestinians. Where is the Palestinian equivalent? An Israeli growing will hear all these different viewpoints. A simple question, where is the Palestinian equivalent of Peace Now? Throughout the 90's hundreds of thousands of Israelis demonstrated for peace, has such a thing EVER happened in the Arab world? Why is it that while over 70% of Palestinians support suicide bombers against civilians in Israel? Why is it that Palsetinian textbooks repeat all the old anti-semitic slogans. Even after 1+ years of terrorism, the majority of Israelis still wnat peace and are willing to compromise.

There is no question that there are Israelis who hate Arabas etc., the major difference is that the government, press and spiritual leaders condemn these people. When Rabbi Ovadia Yosef (the spiritual leader of the Shas party) called Arabs snakes (btw he explained that he was talking about terrorists not all Arabs), every major politician denounced it including the President and Prime Minister, and it was the topic of discussion in every newspaper and radio program. Have you ever seen a similar reaction to any of these sermons?

After Sept. 11, there were some attacks on Muslims in the US, defacing of mosques etc., does that mean that the US is a racist and anti-Muslim society? The fact is that all the leaders, from President Bush on down condemned these acts and this is the major difference between the US, Israel and the PA.

A challenge for you, find four tolerant Palestinian perspectives.
     Civilian casualties - (bluke) - (18)
         Let's Make a Deal - (gtall) - (8)
             Re: You went to school with OBL ??? - (dmarker2) - (1)
                 Re: You went to school with OBL ??? - (gtall)
             Gurlz.. you forgot Gurlz! - (Ashton) - (4)
                 Playing Mr. State Dept. - (gtall) - (3)
                     Re: ...how do you know about all this expanse of flesh? - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                         wrong verb :) -NT - (boxley)
                     No. Beards are Un-American.* - (mmoffitt)
             Deal - (Andrew Grygus)
         Taliban & PA - (kmself) - (8)
             Actually it is very similar - (bluke)
             PA is willing and credible? - (bluke) - (6)
                 need to plant more Gharqad trees -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                     What is a Gharqad tree? -NT - (bluke) - (1)
                         You dont read your own links? :) - (boxley)
                 Homework assignment - (kmself) - (2)
                     Trouble seems to be - (Ashton)
                     No comparison - (bluke)

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