Re: DBAs != "extra"

Post #157,681 by admin 5/30/04 9:18:24 AM Reply	Re: DBAs != "extra" I meant the concept of verson control for DB's. Revision control for DBs is fine. We use it ourselves. Via files. And then when it came time for you to describe why doing it in the database was better, you said "You Win!" No. Hiring DBA's is a "divide and conquer" strategy. Because managing a database takes more knowledge and effort than managing a source code control repository, as you have apparently conceded by failing to respond to my questions about adding a new column. Additionally, adding an extra database involves even more work, unlike using a single source code repository. However you label it, it is not more effort than doing the same in a class. Nope, no back-tracking here, Bryce. I've already established and you've already conceded that maintaining control tables [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=157245\|is more work]. Concession noted for posterity: reporting on code is useless for the sales/marketing people given specs and documentation. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #157,737 by tablizer 5/30/04 4:19:53 PM Reply	There is more to life than version control And then when it came time for you to describe why doing it in the database was better, you said "You Win!" I meant if there would be a market for DB-centric version control. Because managing a database takes more knowledge and effort than managing a source code control repository, as you have apparently conceded by failing to respond to my questions about adding a new column. I meant in general. I conceed that existing DB-centric version control management tools are weak. But your claim seemed more general-scoped, not just about version control. Some shops don't care that much about version control (for good or bad, its their decision). ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #157,743 by deSitter 5/30/04 5:13:25 PM Reply	Bryce, come to Philly on 7/4 I will sell tickets to see you and SA go at it. It's wonderful, minds that still function in IT. -drl
Post #157,748 by admin 5/30/04 6:03:37 PM Reply	Might be fun. I'd rather just talk about shit, though, than go at it in person. We can talk shop all day here. Philly is for beer and chat, and I'd be more than happy to sit down with Bryce and a beer and shoot the shit. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #157,801 by tablizer 5/31/04 12:02:37 AM Reply	warning: alchohol makes me irratable Most say it relaxes them, but it makes me want to bust OO fans in the choppers instead. Gotta find a different legal relaxor. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #157,747 by admin 5/30/04 6:03:23 PM Reply	Re: There is more to life than version control I meant if there would be a market for DB-centric version control. Something that snaps into CVS/PVCS/SourceSafe/whatever and makes it dead stupid simple to do, perhaps. But it would have to work with current source code repositories, which means file-based. People aren't going to want a separate tool with a separate repository, nor will they want something that requires maintaining an extra database instance. Some shops don't care that much about version control Such shops aren't likely to care about much of anything worth caring about either. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #157,797 by tablizer 5/30/04 11:59:19 PM Reply	Dilbert reigns Such shops aren't likely to care about much of anything worth caring about either. Most shops are highly Dilbertian. That's life in Corporate American. ________________ oop.ismad.com

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