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New Re: shop size phalic symbols
Why is it a poor idea?
Did we, or did we not, just go through how many hundreds of posts on this very subject, at the end of which you said, "You Win!"?

I have worked in medium-large companies that divide projects into smaller project rather than one-big-EXE. Perhaps you guys are not partitioning properly.
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? I said, "Managing databases is more labor intensive than managing code, so you are, in fact, doing something extra." This is why people hire full-time DBAs (we have two full-timers, and one part-timer), because it takes more effort to manage a database. What in Hades does this have to do with partitioning? An extra database is an extra database.

Adding a new column in Microsoft SQL-Server was a snap.
And how did you put that change under revision control? How did you promote that change to production? Or even QA? Of course adding a column is a snap if you aren't managing it properly.

Tell that to the sales/marketing department.
Oddly enough, our sales people know what the applications do without searching source code. They also know what the client's are requesting and using. It's called, "specifications" and "documentation". You ought to try it sometime.

Concession noted for posterity (judging by your failure to respond): you admit that you are in fact creating a jump table as described.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New DBAs != "extra"
Did we, or did we not, just go through how many hundreds of posts on this very subject, at the end of which you said, "You Win!"?


I meant the concept of verson control for DB's.

"Managing databases is more labor intensive than managing code, so you are, in fact, doing something extra." This is why people hire full-time DBAs...


No. Hiring DBA's is a "divide and conquer" strategy. DBA's focus on data stuff and app developers focus on providing algorithms for specific tasks that have to be accomplished based on the data.

The idea of a hybrid DBA/developer, such as what XBase used to make common, was mostly rejected because developers tended to make messes such as poorly normalized schemas and no longer-term design strategies. Such apps may have worked fine in isolation, but biz often wants to share info with multiple apps.

Concession noted for posterity (judging by your failure to respond): you admit that you are in fact creating a jump table as described.


However you label it, it is not more effort than doing the same in a class.



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New Re: DBAs != "extra"
I meant the concept of verson control for DB's.
Revision control for DBs is fine. We use it ourselves. Via files. And then when it came time for you to describe why doing it in the database was better, you said "You Win!"

No. Hiring DBA's is a "divide and conquer" strategy.
Because managing a database takes more knowledge and effort than managing a source code control repository, as you have apparently conceded by failing to respond to my questions about adding a new column. Additionally, adding an extra database involves even more work, unlike using a single source code repository.

However you label it, it is not more effort than doing the same in a class.
Nope, no back-tracking here, Bryce. I've already established and you've already conceded that maintaining control tables [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=157245|is more work].

Concession noted for posterity: reporting on code is useless for the sales/marketing people given specs and documentation.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New There is more to life than version control
And then when it came time for you to describe why doing it in the database was better, you said "You Win!"


I meant if there would be a *market* for DB-centric version control.

Because managing a database takes more knowledge and effort than managing a source code control repository, as you have apparently conceded by failing to respond to my questions about adding a new column.


I meant in general. I conceed that existing DB-centric version control management tools are weak. But your claim seemed more general-scoped, not just about version control.

Some shops don't care that much about version control (for good or bad, its their decision).
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New Bryce, come to Philly on 7/4
I will sell tickets to see you and SA go at it.

It's wonderful, minds that still function in IT.
-drl
New Might be fun.
I'd rather just talk about shit, though, than go at it in person. We can talk shop all day here. Philly is for beer and chat, and I'd be more than happy to sit down with Bryce and a beer and shoot the shit.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New warning: alchohol makes me irratable
Most say it relaxes them, but it makes me want to bust OO fans in the choppers instead. Gotta find a different legal relaxor.
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New Re: There is more to life than version control
I meant if there would be a *market* for DB-centric version control.
Something that snaps into CVS/PVCS/SourceSafe/whatever and makes it dead stupid simple to do, perhaps. But it would have to work with current source code repositories, which means file-based. People aren't going to want a separate tool with a separate repository, nor will they want something that requires maintaining an extra database instance.

Some shops don't care that much about version control
Such shops aren't likely to care about much of anything worth caring about either.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Dilbert reigns
Such shops aren't likely to care about much of anything worth caring about either.


Most shops are highly Dilbertian. That's life in Corporate American.
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                                                                                         Dilbert reigns - (tablizer)

Gill was also down on his luck. Fact was, he was barely keeping his head below water.
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