I assume you already expect my response:

Post #156,445 by FuManChu 5/22/04 8:05:06 PM Reply	I assume you already expect my response: 1. A good many developers already know OO. 2. They don't have to deal with SQL at all. Your solution has application developers working with at least two layers, where my solution has only one layer. Framework developers may deal with two, but not application developers. This is what we mean by making the storage layer "transparent".
Post #156,453 by tablizer 5/22/04 9:25:34 PM Reply	I will agree that... RDB fans tend to dislike OO and OO fans tend to dislike RDB's. They have been fighting on places like C2 Wiki long before I made my presence known there. OO fans tend to be code-centric thinkers and relational fans tend to be declarative (data-driven) thinkers. Note that liking OO does not mean you automatically know a given O-R framework off the mark. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #156,490 by FuManChu 5/23/04 10:12:20 AM Reply	I've never claimed that _every_ O-R mapper is chicken soup Note that liking OO does not mean you automatically know a given O-R framework off the mark. True, but when it's bloody simple... the Dejavu "O-R framework" comes down to: 1. Units, which you subclass for your core data, and which only have three methods most app developers will use: a. set_property (a classmethod) b. memorize (makes a new Unit object persistent) c. forget (destroys a Unit) and 2. A namespace, which manages Units. That only has three methods: a. associate(class, key, far_class, far_key), which oddly enough associates two Unit classes; b. recall(class, expression), and c. unit(class, ID=?), both of which retrieve Units and 3. logic.Expression(<Python expression>), which makes an object out of an expression. ...all Python, all the time. I admit that if you've done all your OO in Java, then you have to learn Python to use Dejavu. But c.l.p. is replete with stories of programmers, both novices and experts, picking up 95% of Python within a week or two--it's designed to be easy to learn, natural, and expressive. I don't see any of this as "bloatware".
Post #156,492 by admin 5/23/04 10:50:37 AM Reply	Most people can at least read Python within 5 minutes. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #156,539 by tablizer 5/23/04 11:45:33 PM Reply	Whatever ________________ oop.ismad.com

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