Post #15,624
10/29/01 8:43:58 PM
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The Reg loads.. RH 7.2 and Doze XP
in a suitably BS-free rant
[link|http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22533.html|Here.]
{sigh}
Imagine if RH had the chutzpah and away-from-a-monitor moxie -- to both Get This Right and ride on the coattails of the Billy n'Bally Show:
Roll Both out with comparisons (of the sort above, plus for newbies and the in-between: diffrunt strokes).
But.. they haven't and they didn't and maybe didn't even notice the *&^($&* Great Chance to be both good AND clever.
Amateurs... all that Scandinavian kernel brilliance (so all say) and everywhere-else refinement: *oblivious* to what The Beast is doing / and what 'Desktop' might mean to a few million default-users who wish... and notice it still *ain't for them*.
{Sheesh} and Damn! - it might have been Glorious to rub B&Bs face in a real coup / coopting of the B&B Kind!
mumble mumble
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Post #15,635
10/29/01 9:25:13 PM
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Re: A pity he had that trouble - mine have gone well
As mentioned earlier though I have taken to testing installs with Connectix VPC as well as doing bare metal installs. Am doing these both at home on my 4 home built servers & 2 notebooks (old reliables I wont throw out). My home PC machines have both ATA100 & SCSI disks. The work machines are DELL Servers with fast SCSI disks. At work also use Dell notebook with Connectix VPC.
[link|http://www.connectix.com|Connectix web site]
I also agree with the many Mandrake supporters about how much cleaner it is to work with - it really is user friendly (except as was happening with Mandrake 7.2 on my home growns - script failures & no way forward). But even that same 7.2 installs under Connectix VPC. Mandrake 8.1 is what RH should be. The frustration here of course, is that in our corporate env we can only recommend what the big boys go with (IBM Oracle etc:) so we are establishing RH 7.2 with the new journalled filesystem as our corporate base, hence the training we are doing. Mandrake's Apache is a better set up (with SSL out of the box), their config stuff seems to work & is way ahead of RH (as far as I can tell).
I also use Connectix on wife's Apple iBook - am going to try RH 7.2 on it. Already have Win98 running under a VPC on her machine (needed for old copy of quicken).
I wonder if we should recommnend to the Register guy to try Mandrake 8.1
PS Has Register been hacked - those opening gtraphics don't look right (grin)
Cheers
Doug
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Post #15,642
10/29/01 10:22:11 PM
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Made me think he had a faulty CD-ROM.
Whilst I haven't seen that exact problem, I did have a CD-ROM at one point on a PC that often failed to recognise CDs.
Wade.
"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
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Post #15,650
10/29/01 11:12:53 PM
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Re: Made me think he had a faulty CD-ROM.
I would wonder if the CD was not a commercial CD out of a box but was a CD burned on another machine.
Alex
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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Post #15,652
10/29/01 11:34:07 PM
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same here
Upgraded from 7.1 to 7.2 on my work laptop and on my personal desktop. Also did a full install on wife's machine. Very quick, problem-free, in all cases :)
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Steve
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Post #15,653
10/29/01 11:34:49 PM
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What the big boys go with:
Oracle tests on SuSE first. You can't get 9i for anything other than SuSE right now. It will install on other distros, but SuSE is the only officially supported one.
I'm running SuSE 7.2 at work right now, and it's much better than RedHat all around.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #15,673
10/30/01 1:58:43 AM
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Re: What the big boys go with:
We support SuSe TurboLinux RedHat & Caldera but Caldera is looking rather shakey.
Have heard a lot of good things about SuSe but in mid 1999 when visiting IBM Cary, had so much trouble following the install instructions & procs, I gave it to another team member to do.
I did RH 6.2 & Caldera OL 2.3 (played with TurboLinux but ran into a few show stoppers)
Cheers
Doug
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Post #15,676
10/30/01 2:15:02 AM
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1999?
Blimey.
You should probably revisit it. Things have moved on a great deal since then.
Peter
Shill For Hire
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
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Post #15,680
10/30/01 2:35:04 AM
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Re: Time time & more time ...
My brain is in burnout mode from all the XML & Web Services stuff crammed therein from 2000/2001.
Wish I had more time to follow up on so many Linux related things :-)
I have taken the easy way out - RH
cheers Doug
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Post #15,891
10/31/01 2:08:36 PM
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looks like
from the post script, that he is going to try both SUSE and Mandrake. Of course the next question is how many of the people who need to find out about non-XP options read The Reg. Seems to me that most of the people that read it are already checking out the other options.
~~~)-Steven----
"I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..."
General George S. Patton
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Post #15,655
10/30/01 12:04:39 AM
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Re: The Reg loads.. RH 7.2 and Doze XP
Mail sent to Thomas:
You said the installation "froze" and opened the CD drawer.
You *do* know that Red Hat Linux 7.2 comes on 2 CDs, and halfway through
the disk copy the first disk is ejected and you're prompted to put the
second one in?
Other than that, good article. I'm a little mystified about your Linux
problems, as I had a flawless install here, but there you go.
Windows XP? Installed it, thought "hmm I could have Windows XP, or I
could have 2G of disk space for MP3s" and wiped it.
Try again with Linux - think of the *children*.
Other than that, fair comment, I thunk.
Peter
HP/UX Shill For Hire
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
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Post #15,688
10/30/01 4:12:54 AM
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Cackle ulp..
You have to keep us posted on that reply! I mean - I'm gonna assume his cuth is such that - he'd admit missing why the tray slid out [?!]
(I thought that if I ever wanted to see what the new flashy Ex-Pee icons look like, I'd try for one of those non phone-home Chinese copies.. but they're still a bit pricey at 75\ufffd per - umm 60p?, when you throw in postage.)
Good point too: I forgot about the cheeldrun too.
A.
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Post #15,967
10/31/01 9:53:20 PM
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Re: The Reg loads.. and loads and loads..
Was it Real or was it Memorex ^h^h Dell:
[link|http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22562.html|Greene around the gills]
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Post #16,098
11/1/01 5:04:17 PM
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Local Linux guru is disliking RedHat more and more
RedHat seems to be making their distributions more and more un-Unix like (eg, using xinetd rather than inetd.)
"Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."
-- Donald Knuth
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Post #16,105
11/1/01 5:53:46 PM
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Not to push RH, in this case I agree
xinetd is superior in several regards to inetd, including numerous security enhancements. Considering that this is the first (and in some cases only) line of defense for a bunch of very naive, built-for-a-friendly-world, networked applications, I have to applaud RH. The distro has taken steps in the 7.x release to increase security (you might say they'd make the task easy with their prior practices).
xinetd isn't a default under Debian, but it's an available package. I'm looking at installing it following your comments.
There are reasons to dislike RH. This isn't one of them.
--
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
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Post #16,129
11/1/01 9:26:18 PM
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at first glance xinetd looks icky
of course I said the same about inetd as well as portmapper when it replaced getty. Actually after configuring it and a little better understanding of how it works, it is a good tool. I like I can explicitly name a service and block it. Also if it isnt in the directory and is not buried in init.d "it" doesnt have an available listner.
thanx,
bill
tshirt front "born to die before I get old"
thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
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Post #16,152
11/2/01 2:24:10 AM
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Not *that* much of a guru, then.
1. Linux is not UNIX, and woe betide anyone who doesn't heed this.
2. xinetd kicks inetd's spotty arse on just about every level - speed, security, configurability, etc.
Peter
Shill For Hire
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
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Post #16,234
11/2/01 2:24:16 PM
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That was an example
The xinetd vs. inetd thing was just an off-the-head example; I don't know that he even specifically said that one. It's just one that I know about from having wrestled with it.
Linux is often described as a "Unix compatible operating system", but that doesn't say much. Which Unix? Even different flavors of "real" Unix differ. I've used BSD, Ultrix, Dynix, HPUX, AIX, and probably some other fillintheblankX's that I don't remember. They all differed in various ways, sometimes significantly.
Yes, Linux isn't Unix. But as a Unix shop (currently mostly HPUX, some AIX), it is better from our perspective for a Linux distribution to be closer to Unix than farther away. That which takes it further away makes it harder to maintain.
"Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."
-- Donald Knuth
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Post #16,453
11/4/01 10:22:01 AM
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Speaking of xinetd...
My class is using RH 7.0 and for some of the students xinetd at bootup is showing failed. (as in failed to start up.) Networking works fine, though.
I'm assuming this is a configuration issue, but as I'm more familiar with inetd could someone point me to a good xinetd reference so I can make a little course module on troubleshooting?
Tom Sinclair
Speaker-to-Suits
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Post #16,459
11/4/01 10:49:26 AM
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Re: Speaking of xinetd...
I can do no better than to point you to [link|http://www.xinetd.org|The Source].
Peter
Shill For Hire
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
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Post #16,503
11/4/01 7:42:28 PM
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Thank you....most kind.
Tom Sinclair
Speaker-to-Suits
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Post #16,501
11/4/01 7:35:24 PM
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are they using laptops?
xinetd will show failed because the pcmia drivers havnt kicked in yet, once they do the net is up and xinetd is sitting waiting for connections.
thanx,
bill
tshirt front "born to die before I get old"
thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
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Post #16,502
11/4/01 7:42:01 PM
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Nope, Dell Optiplex desktops
There doesn't appear to be any problems with networking so fixing it hasn't been a high priority. (I could give it as an extra credit project, though. Hmmmm....)
Tom Sinclair
Speaker-to-Suits
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