Post #155,965
5/19/04 4:54:16 PM
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Torture scandal leaks past Abu Ghraib
[link|http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~11676~2157003,00.html|Denver Post] Details of the death investigations, involving at least four different detention facilities including the Abu Ghraib prison, provide the clearest view yet into war-zone interrogation rooms, where intelligence soldiers and other personnel have sometimes used lethal tactics to try to coax secrets from prisoners, including choking off detainees' airways. Other abusive strategies involve sitting on prisoners or bending them into uncomfortable positions, records show. Internal records obtained by The Post point to wider problems beyond the Abu Ghraib prison and demonstrate that some coercive tactics used at Abu Ghraib have shown up in interrogations elsewhere in the war effort. The documents also show more than twice as many allegations of detainee abuse - 75 - are being investigated by the military than previously known. Twenty-seven of the abuse cases involve deaths; at least eight are believed to be homicides. Looks like attempts to confine the investigation to Abu Ghraib are failing. Ugly, but ultimatly a good thing, we need to investigate this in depth not white wash it. The article has a lot of ugly details about some of the deaths. One that really struck me was Major General Abed Hamed Mowhoush, who was the head of the air force under Saddam. Mowhoush died during interrogation after one of the interrogators sat on his chest. The really ugly part is that Mowhoush is one of the people that turned himself in, he wasn't even captured and he was still tortured. Jay
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Post #155,999
5/19/04 7:31:25 PM
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It seems that the most vicious kind of hawk
is the Chicken Hawk. And manifestly this entire show is the production of a huge assemblage of such.
I wonder who's wondering ~ "how many more such revelations will it take to - -"
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Post #156,022
5/19/04 10:25:32 PM
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Seeing a repeat of 2003 ...
so many among us go into denial & don't even want to 'question' what may be going on.
Doug M
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Post #156,082
5/20/04 2:15:27 PM
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Ve know you haff relatives...
From the [link|http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0405200268may20,1,4739238.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed|Chicago Tribune]: A military intelligence analyst who recently completed duty at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq said Wednesday that the 16-year-old son of a detainee there was abused by U.S. soldiers to break his father's resistance to interrogators.
The analyst said the teenager was stripped naked, thrown in the back of an open truck, driven around in the cold night air, splattered with mud and then presented to his father at Abu Ghraib, the prison at the center of the scandal over abuse of Iraqi detainees.
Upon seeing his frail and frightened son, the prisoner broke down and cried and told interrogators he would tell them whatever they wanted, the analyst said. But hey, you know, it's war, and we're upholding all that is right and good and decent in the world, plus our god is the real deal and theirs is an idol, and anyway, what about Nick Berg and 9/11, huh? cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #156,091
5/20/04 2:43:22 PM
5/20/04 7:56:33 PM
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General Mowhoush - details
Read it and swell with pride: In the case of Iraqi Major General Abed Hamed Mowhoush, who headed Saddam Hussein's air force, intelligence officers' role was documented in abuse that soon turned fatal, documents show,
Mowhoush, considered a "high-priority target," turned himself in for questioning in November, according to documents. After two weeks in custody at an Al Qaim detention facility, northwest of Baghdad, two soldiers with the 66th Military Intelligence Company, slid a sleeping bag over his body, except for his feet, and began questioning him as they rolled him repeatedly from his back to his stomach, the documents show.
Then, one of the soldiers, an interrogator, sat on Mowhoush's chest and placed his hands over the prisoner's mouth, according to the report: "During this interrogation, the (general) became non-responsive, medics were called and he was later pronounced dead." According to the documents, "The preliminary report lists the cause of death as asphyxia due to smothering and chest compressions."
Immediately after Mowhoush's death was reported, U.S. military officials released a statement acknowledging he died during an interview.
"Mowhoush said he didn't feel well and subsequently lost consciousness," read the press statement, which is still posted on a Pentagon website. "The soldier questioning him found no pulse, then conducted CPR and called for medical authorities. According to the on-site surgeon, it appeared Mowhouse died of natural causes." [link|http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~11676~2157003,00.html|Denver Post] In this connection we can recall the prescient musings of our own L'il Phil, who on the eve of the Head Baddie's capture shared with us his keen analysis of the Wog Mind (emphases added): This illustrates all of the fundamental weaknesses of an autocratic regime. The key to defeating them is to take away their initiative. Like I said before, kill the nervous system and the monster dies. Even the most fanantical of their soldiers, the ones with a vested interest in the tyranny pro ante, were unable to take initiative, because they had grown up without freedom.
The monster is laregely incapacitated now, but still a bit of a nuisance. When we find and kill the brain - Saddam - it will breathe its last. [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=129362|his very words]—and the prescription certainly worked on the late General Mowhoush. It's Marlowe of AbuGhraibia! Thank goodness we have the ex-president in custody, eh? Life for our Brave Boys has certainly been easier since we took the locals' initiative away from them. cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Edited by rcareaga
May 20, 2004, 07:56:33 PM EDT
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Post #156,141
5/20/04 7:50:33 PM
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Psssst! Ix-nay on the eed-fay!
jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #156,184
5/21/04 12:49:02 AM
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on the contrary
Let our Philbot thrust his snout deeply into [link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43783-2004May20.html|this] and [link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43785-2004May20.html|this]. In for a dime, in for a dollar, and surely marlowe has earned a thorough wallow in the blessings of civilization we've brought to the benighted bedouins. Hell, he might even get off on it.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #156,149
5/20/04 9:43:04 PM
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That "swelling"
taken for 'pride' - is often found to be a routine case of gangrene.
What *would* it take -?- to obtain the balls to IMPEACH, short of Shrub digitized in 'leeza's pants? (Or of that: OK, get on with it)
January 16thish is EIGHT ... interminable ... MONTHS away. May have to cancel newspaper subscription... even in the comic strip (the last bastion of News) this stuff is so execrable: it can't even be satirized.
Imagine ... Shrub/Cheney/Wolfie/Rove with itchy little fingers a neutron's throw from
The. Football.
as their plans dribble . . . into . . . the sewer
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