Aha, gotcha. Here's URLs, for anyone else who wants to know:
[link|http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/index.html|[link|http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/index.html|http://jakarta.apac...e/index.html]]
[link|http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/index.html|[link|http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/index.html|http://jakarta.apac...y/index.html]]
But those two were down when I tried to access them right now. These two seem to work:
[link|http://www.webmacro.org/Turbine|[link|http://www.webmacro.org/Turbine|http://www.webmacro.org/Turbine]]
[link|http://www.webmacro.org/Velocity|[link|http://www.webmacro.org/Velocity|http://www.webmacro.org/Velocity]]
Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who (With A Little Help From Google) Knows Fucking Everything