The revenge has started, US man beheaded

Post #154,651 by bluke 5/11/04 4:01:33 PM Reply	The revenge has started, US man beheaded [link\|http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3705409.stm\|Video 'shows US man beheaded'] "How can a free Muslim sleep well as he sees Islam slaughtered and its dignity bleeding, and the pictures of shame and the news of the devilish scorn of the people of Islam - men and women - in the prison of Abu Ghraib?" he said. "You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins... slaughtered in this way."
Post #154,655 by mmoffitt 5/11/04 4:12:05 PM Reply	How many times does it take? Before we realize that we do not overcome our adversaries by becoming just like them? bcnu, Mikem If you can read this, you are not the President.
Post #154,656 by JayMehaffey 5/11/04 4:17:31 PM Reply	Odd situation [link\|http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/politics/8621773.htm\|http://www.centredai...itics/8621773.htm] Nick Berg was arrested and held by US/Iraqi officals for several days before being released. He was then kidnapped by Iraqi insurgents a couple of days later who have been apparently holding him since early April. The conspiracy people are going to have a field day with this one. Jay
Post #154,720 by Simon_Jester 5/11/04 10:43:15 PM Reply	Not really...it's GW's, bin Ladin... But NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself \ufffd but never pulled the trigger. In June 2002, U.S. officials say intelligence had revealed that Zarqawi and members of al-Qaida had set up a weapons lab at Kirma, in northern Iraq, producing deadly ricin and cyanide. The Pentagon quickly drafted plans to attack the camp with cruise missiles and airstrikes and sent it to the White House, where, according to U.S. government sources, the plan was debated to death in the National Security Council. \ufffdPeople were more obsessed with developing the coalition to overthrow Saddam than to execute the president\ufffds policy of pre-emption against terrorists.\ufffd \ufffd Roger Cressey Terrorism expert \ufffdHere we had targets, we had opportunities, we had a country willing to support casualties, or risk casualties after 9/11 and we still didn\ufffdt do it,\ufffd said Michael O\ufffdHanlon, military analyst with the Brookings Institution. Four months later, intelligence showed Zarqawi was planning to use ricin in terrorist attacks in Europe. The Pentagon drew up a second strike plan, and the White House again killed it. By then the administration had set its course for war with Iraq. [link\|http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/\| MSNBC ]
Post #154,800 by jb4 5/12/04 10:31:36 AM Reply	Bookmark this for the next time... ...some idiot neoconman steps up with the "Well, the Clinton Administration coulda-woulda-shoulda knocked out that terrorist cell...: bullshit. Seems there's plenty enough coulda-woulda-shoulda for boths sides of the aisle...and we're certainly finding more of it on the right side, aren't we? jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #154,698 by dmarker 5/11/04 7:08:05 PM Reply	Nasty nasty business. The dumb part of this type of act is that it has the reverse effect of what they claim they want to achieve. It rallies US citizens together & encourages harder attitudes to Iraqis & the negative activities going on there in Iraq. It provides mountains of counter propaganda. It paints the incorrect picture of muslims generally as henious murderous bastards who happily violate the most basic tennets of human dignity. But the practice of videoing helpless (bound) prisoners being murdered in this way, is not new - a lot of these types of videos were produced by mujshadeen in Afghanistan, showing captured russians being done in. Doug M
Post #154,707 by Arkadiy 5/11/04 8:01:07 PM Reply	When will we hear some sort of regret from any imam or mullah? Preferably on CNN. No, I am not holding my breath. -- Buy high, sell sober.
Post #154,747 by Ashton 5/12/04 2:51:06 AM Reply	Where were the preachers when the KKK Ruled?
Post #154,754 by dmarker 5/12/04 4:47:40 AM Reply	This bizzare beheading just got a lot of folk ... off the hook re the prisoner abuse scandal & before the full details ("worse to come") are released by those who control the release of such info. US senators trying to investgate the abuses had their feet 'kicked out from under them'. This guy (in the video) wasn't a US soldier He wasn't a US Iraqi prison guard He wasn't contracted for security duties He wasn't a grinning pixie faced US girl his execution for the reasons claimed by the hooded murderers, makes no real sense when one considers the timing & imapct. Doug M
Post #154,764 by mmoffitt 5/12/04 8:27:29 AM Reply	Unfortunately, it does make sense. You gave the reason already: It rallies US citizens together & encourages harder attitudes to Iraqis & the negative activities going on there in Iraq. Ultimately that serves their purpose. What the insurgents most need is for the US to portray itself to the majority of Mid-Eastern peoples in the worst light possible. They knew this would get us riled up. All one need do to see how well this worked is to speak with a few Muricans. Last night at the office the cleaning crew was talking about "leveling every mosque and killing every Iraqi, re-instating the draft and lining up thousands of troops on the Iranian border so those 'rag-heads' don't get any ideas", etc. That sentiment from us is exactly what they wanted. They want us to become just like them. bcnu, Mikem If you can read this, you are not the President.
Post #154,894 by dmarker 5/12/04 4:58:54 PM 5/13/04 2:39:47 AM Reply	But that for them, flies in the face of their goals They 'want' US citizenry to remain confused & upset by the prison scandal, the beheading just negated that. I am happy that we agree to disagree on this point but both cases are valid arguments. Cheers Doug #2 Was just remembering that the last time a Bin Laden sanctioned act of horror unified the US, Bin Laden (& his Taliban allies) lost the one country they had conrol of (plus 'some' legitimacy in) at the cost of 1000s of lives & paved the way for George Bush to conjure up a reason for invading Iraq. Is it a case of al-Qaeda org is it that they just don't learn, or that they figure that if they keep trying enough (at so upsetting & unifying US citizenry) that they will win ? - Only result I see is that Bush can justify further grand-scale military adventures & get senate & public approval to carry them out. I believe that acts like this one do more to keep Bush in office & thus keep up his focus on destroying al-Qaeda's potential to ever achieve their 'grand' Andalusian goals. Edited by dmarker May 13, 2004, 01:10:00 AM EDT Edited by dmarker May 13, 2004, 02:39:47 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #154,942 by JayMehaffey 5/13/04 1:27:58 AM Reply	More likely More likely that can not admit to themselves that they are defeating their own goals then the neocons can. It's the blindness of somebody that is, or wants to be, totally dedicated to the cause. They can't admit, even to themselves, that what they are doing might be wrong. Jay
Post #154,769 by Arkadiy 5/12/04 8:56:20 AM Reply	KKK was not killing for Christ -- Buy high, sell sober.
Post #154,841 by rcareaga 5/12/04 1:04:41 PM Reply	What an extraordinary coincidence! The KKK wasn't killing for Christ? Neither were the bad fellas in the videotape yesterday. cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #154,868 by Arkadiy 5/12/04 3:30:31 PM Reply	Huh? They were killing for Allah the Merciful -- Buy high, sell sober.
Post #154,709 by a6l6e6x 5/11/04 8:07:51 PM Reply	They are only trying to keep Bush as US president. Long term, it's good for the jihad. Alex There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't.

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