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New sleight-of-hand
From Daily Kos:
Be on the lookout for the Bush administration to start fudging things regarding the abuses at the Abu Gharib prison. Specifically, watch for them to slyly insinuate that the abuses happened in a context in which Americans were being killed and defiled like the civilian contractors killed in Fallujah. If they do try to associate the abuses with Fallujah, they may have an easy time of it. This from Reuters:
(begin Reuters quote):
For many in the sleepy town of Cumberland, home of the military company at the heart of the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal, the U.S. soldiers are the real victims and the Iraqis had it coming.

In bars, shops and throughout the town of 21,000 people, residents gathered on Friday to watch Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld testify to Congress about the abuses that involved soldiers from their local 372nd Military Policy company.

For some, shock mingled with embarrassment over their hometown's sudden and unwelcome notoriety. For many others, sympathy for the soldiers far outweighed their concerns.

"Excuse me, if I see somebody dragging my people through the streets and hung up on a bridge -- I mean, the bible even says an eye for an eye," said retired Vietnam War veteran Robert Zalewski, 56, drinking a beer at Pete's Parkview Tavern and Grill.

"People are trying to kill you. You got to protect yourself," he said, adding the abuse by the soldiers was "half what they (Iraqis) have done to us."

Jamey Hill, a local postal worker, said the photos of naked prisoners in sexual positions, in a pile or on a leash, were nothing compared to the images of murdered Americans dangling from a bridge in the town of Falluja in March.

"I'm not happy about it (the prison abuse). I'm not very happy about having the pictures of us on the bridge either," Hill said.
(resume Daily Kos comment):
The folks interviewed for this article--which never mentions that the abuses took place in the Fall of 2003, months before the Americans were killed and their bodies defiled in Fallujah--are more likely to excuse the troops, since they associate these particular \ufffdtroops with their own town. \ufffd(However, the other people quoted in the article were less generous toward the soldiers accused of abuses at Abu Gharib.) \ufffdBut as Americans continue to form and solidify their opinions about what happened last Fall, before the defilements in Fallujah, it's imperative that Democrats emphasize at every opportunity they have for talking about Abu Gharib that these abuses began last Fall, prior to when fighting escalated in November, and months before the defilements in Fallujah. \ufffd

There is no excuse for what we're learning was done by American soldiers and contractors to the Iraqis incarcerated at Abu Gharib. \ufffdBut it's vitally important Americans understand that those abuses began when the United States was not only claiming to have pacified the country and was supposedly earning the trust and respect of Iraqis; the U.S. was still claiming to embody, in our actions in Iraq, a reverence for human and civil rights and the rule of law that would inspire the Iraqis to follow our example in creating a democratic society with a government based on the inalienable civil and political rights of all its citizens. \ufffdThese ideals were ignored and perverted by some of our soldiers, and maybe even by some of their superiors among the nation's civilian leadership. We must not allow fellow Americans to erroneously and passively justify those perversions as the predictable response to any brutalities meted out against our troops and contractors by Iraqi fighters. \ufffdWe are supposed to be better than that, regardless of the context of our actions; there is no context where those abuses is acceptable. \ufffdBut the context last Fall most certainly offers no excuse for why the abuses by our soldiers could not and should not have been prevented. \ufffd

Our soldiers at Abu Gharib didn't leash up and humiliate Iraqis because contractors in Fallujah were dangled from a bridge. \ufffdThere may not have been any link between the two events, but if there was, it would be that the bodies of those contractors were defiled and dangled from a bridge because our troops were leashing up and humiliating prisoners in Abu Gharib.
[link|http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/8/162859/3152|http://www.dailykos....4/5/8/162859/3152]

I could almost begin to feel sorry for empty hats. Almost.

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New Re: sleight-of-hand

This is as I expected. But what I find disheartning is that it is the same as just before the invasion of Iraq when Bush admin kept whipping up 9/11 emotion (also fuelled by the anthrax attacks) to condition the public for the invasion.

Same pattern is emerging again.

If it continues like this it can only get worse from the perspective of vengefull Arabs/Muslims wanting to take us down.

I will probably pull out of the debate if it keeps going down this path - it took me most of a year to get over the last propaganda crusade and the results.
I had a lot of hostility to work out (at what repubs had done to us all in reagard to Arab peoples and the UN. I felt there were so many in IWETHEY who willing took the bait & went along for the ride. I don't want to go through this again).

Interestingly, I feel that those of us who questioned, in detail, what was happeing just pre-during & post Iraq invasion, provided mountains of evidence of deceptions, have largely been vindicated. The mood in the US has changed markedly but I like you, feel there is worse coming as repubs try to regain their agenda & public support. This can *only* be achived by Goebbels like distortion & 'mis-truths' which seems already appearing.

We are moving into bad times yet again.

Doug M

New The level of speech shall reflect ONE agenda -
Absolutely *anything* will be said towards getting (not re-) elected for the first time. ANYTHING via any illogic as seems to tempt the Believers into disregarding their sense(s): will be tried; Loudly. They NEED the highest possible noise level to stamp out any respite for a few minutes of thought.

To expect some catharsis and coming clean? is purest fantasy. Alas.


SIX months of Pure Nastiness at full shout + Flags waving.

{{ugh}}
New Doug,
you're from outta town, so you really couldn't know, but "Goebbels like distortion & 'mis-truths'" have been standard operating procedure around here since, oh, about the middle of January, 2001.

It's just that it has become more transparent recently, and the level of indefensibility (and therfore, the need to fabricate biggern and more fantastic "truths") has escalated beyond even our wildest fears.
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New You fool.
Didn't you read that Daily Kos is an irrelevant (or at least about to become so) web site?

Philomena says so!


Peter
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New Switching to my neo-con hat ...

Rand is a dangerously subversive anti-patriot American.

DO NOT READ WHAT HE POSTS - THIS IS A DIRECT ORDER !!!

(but if you do, ignore what you read)

:-)

Doug
     sleight-of-hand - (rcareaga) - (5)
         Re: sleight-of-hand - (dmarker) - (2)
             The level of speech shall reflect ONE agenda - - (Ashton)
             Doug, - (jb4)
         You fool. - (pwhysall) - (1)
             Switching to my neo-con hat ... - (dmarker)

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