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New In the same vein,
Come back when you can manage to discuss world events with some knowledge of the facts about said world events.

Eh,
Addison
New Re: In the same vein,

Yet another pathetic insult.

If we could deal with facts and get away from personal finger pointing and snide remarks I truly believe we could make some progress.

"you can manage to discuss world events with some knowledge of the facts "

That is a what is becoming a classic Addison insult. "If you can't play the ball play the man".

Cheers

Doug Marker
New Re: In the same vein,
Yet another pathetic insult.

Actually, it was a statement of fact. If you consider it insulting, I'd suggest re-reading what I wrote. And what you wrote in reply.

If we could deal with facts and get away from personal finger pointing and snide remarks I truly believe we could make some progress.

I'd *like* that Doug, and I'm *waiting* for that.

I go into great detail as to *why* I said what I said.

I consider it to be a pathetic insult what you're saying - you're not dealing in facts. Implying that you are, and I'm not is *really* pathetic. Eh. If you want to do that, fine.

But no, you don't get to go claim some sort of moral superiority because you can't stay on topic, or deal with the facts of the situation.

That is a what is becoming a classic Addison insult. "If you can't play the ball play the man".

Oooh. I'm hurt. Lets see... in every case I asked you questions, presented facts that rebutted what you were saying, and you ignored them.

But somehow, *I'm* insulting you, rather than your position.

Eh, whatever, Doug.

Its not worth me going through and detailing all of those that you've missed - in order to "play the man" here.

But the threads in this forum I don't believe support you. Facts, my side (it helps in the counting that you haven't presented *any*)...

What was that about "pathetic insults?"

Addison
New Re: In the same vein,
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=15367|prior request]

I wondered why you hadn't responded to the above post made much earlier. Your immediate post above this is repetitive & classic.

I do not consider you in a negative way (except in seeking peace here) I actually consider you to have a good intellect and would not
have tried to find a new starting point had I not though it worthwhile. In my more recent posts I attemted to clearly remove any barbs or anything that pointed fingers or laid blame,I was trying to ask you to do the same.

I can only say I don't know what else to say other than I promise not to respond to any of your posts in future and I hope this will give you some peace of mind. In a like manner please don't respond to any of mine - can we at least agree on this ? You can always contact me direct
at dmarker@marker.org if you would prefer to deal with this off-line - I am equally happy to do same if I have your email id. It may make it easier than responding here on a stage.

Thanks in advance

Doug

Doug
New Re: In the same vein,
Your immediate post above this is repetitive & classic..

And in the *same* vein, you ignored the facts, and made a personal attack. Classic?

Which is what you're _accusing_ *me* of doing. Pot, Kettle, Black.

I'm confused, really I am. I had never gotten the impression that you were as divorced from reality as you're appearing in this thread. Maybe I just never saw it. Maybe its just the subject matter. I'm pondering that, and have been for the past couple of days.

Be that as it may, you *have* laid down several unsupported insults. Support them. Attempting an "apology" while you continue to insult makes no sense.

Neither does posting here when you can't actually stand to have someone not agree with you, that's also nonsensical.

The post you said was filled with insults?

The biggest "insult" was a list of answers to your questions, saying your assumptions (the taliban are a poor, misunderstood, small band of ragged guys with only rifles) to be completely incorrect. If that's insulting, I'm not sure what you're doing here.

In a like manner please don't respond to any of mine - can we at least agree on this ?

Why?

No. That's nonsensical. Granted, if you stay nonsensical, then I will write you off as I've had to a few other people, as not worth replying to. I don't think that was your aim, but its certainly what you're doing.

If you can't deal with people disagreeing, with especially me pointing out the facts that don't support your opinions, well, sorry. that's just tough cookies. Calling that a personal attack, and saying there was a failure to exchange ideas.. I don't really understand that. But neither will I let you insinuate that's a failure on my part, or that I only insult. I've spent a lot of time making sure that I wasn't insulting. Sure, its possible I failed, I've considered that several times, and I re-read my posts that you object to, to see if I can see it from "your perspective".

You're posting some completely unsupported opinions. I disagree with them, and I've said quite clearly why.

You're the one who's called *me* bloodthirsty, don't forget.

If you post that the Taliban is a bunch of poor, misunderstood freedom fighters with only the shirts on their back, and some rifles and pistols, I *will* correct you. Why are you posting, if you don't actually want to discuss? Or asking questions? What's the point? When you post that our actions are misguided because of a presumption that does not fit the currently known facts, expect me to reply, and say "uh, no".

would not have tried to find a new starting point had I not though it worthwhile

Did you? Or did you just say you did? Did you actually *change* anything?

I only saw you say that, and keep right on with your assumptions/opinions that are 180 from what is widely "known" out here. Sure, it might be wrong - but not just because you *think* so.

Sorry Doug, I don't intend to insult you, merely for the point of insulting - but I am a stickler for facts, especially in a situation such as this. Sure, there are lots of opinons out there - but if you are thinking sloppy, with misguided opinions, presumptions that don't fit the facts as they exist, how can you expect to have an opinion that makes sense?

Addison
New Heh.. last post
(I can count on your standing on Principle and not replying to such unPrincipled upstarts as moi.)

It takes a rilly Big Man to remain intransigently Righteous, repetitively.. burn any proffered olive branches asif beneath one's dignity to yield a single Certain Fact\ufffd. Especially when everyone else's 'facts' are just their opinion. Must be glorious being one of the unOpinionated amongst the rabble (?)

Thanks for the Rorschak - know thine opponent's vanities, me and Sun Tzu always say.



Ashton
Opinion-free: Certainty is so much more fun!
     Taliban strength surprises Pentagon - (bluke) - (33)
         I dislike unnamed sources - (wharris2) - (10)
             Re: I am wary of the poisoning threat - (dmarker2)
             Kosovo conflict was won by precision bombing... - (Arkadiy)
             Re: I dislike unnamed sources - NOT unamed any more - (dmarker2) - (7)
                 Re: I dislike unnamed sources - NOT unamed any more - (addison) - (4)
                     Surprises are a given - (Ric Locke)
                     Re: I dislike unnamed sources - NOT unamed any more - (dmarker2) - (2)
                         Re: I dislike unnamed sources - NOT unamed any more - (addison) - (1)
                             Re: I dislike unnamed sources - NOT unamed any more - (dmarker2)
                 News sources my ascii - (wharris2) - (1)
                     Re: News sources my ascii - (dmarker2)
         Sun Tzu: Estimates - (kmself) - (21)
             Re: Sun Tzu: Estimates - (dmarker2) - (20)
                 Survival of who? - (addison) - (13)
                     Re: Survival of who? - (dmarker2) - (12)
                         Re: Survival of who? - (addison) - (11)
                             Re: Survival of who? - (dmarker2) - (6)
                                 In the same vein, - (addison) - (5)
                                     Re: In the same vein, - (dmarker2) - (4)
                                         Re: In the same vein, - (addison) - (3)
                                             Re: In the same vein, - (dmarker2) - (2)
                                                 Re: In the same vein, - (addison) - (1)
                                                     Heh.. last post - (Ashton)
                             hate to ruin a perfectly degenerating thread - (boxley) - (3)
                                 Re: hate to ruin a perfectly degenerating thread - (dmarker2) - (2)
                                     Distinction: 055 brigade vs Afghan soldiers - (brettj) - (1)
                                         links? proves? -NT - (boxley)
                 Re: Sun Tzu: Estimates - (kmself) - (5)
                     Re: Sun Tzu: Estimates - (dmarker2) - (4)
                         Re: Sun Tzu: Estimates - (addison) - (3)
                             Re: Sun Tzu: Estimates - (wharris2) - (2)
                                 Ah.. the unbiased-idiot report: thanks for clarifying - (Ashton) - (1)
                                     Yes of course. - (wharris2)

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