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New Going soft on Fallujah?
[link|http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Iraq.html?ex=1371441600&en=df33e96a749ff836&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND|What's all this about?]

Excerpt:

Kimmitt told reporters that the new Iraqi force will be ``completely integrated'' with Marines. He insisted that the Marines were not ``withdrawing'' from the city.

On Friday, convoys of troops and equipment could be seen heading out of the area.

``Initially it appears that the transition to the Fallujah Protective Army is working. It's a delicate situation. The Fallujah Protective Army is the Iraqi solution we've all been looking for in this area,'' Marine Lt. Col. Brennan Byrne said.

The commander of the new force is Maj. Gen. Jassim Mohammed Saleh, a veteran of Saddam's Republican Guard. He shook hands with Marine commanders at a post on the southeastern entry to the city.

Kimmitt said he had no information on Saleh's background, but that the commander had been vetted by the Marines who had full confidence in him.

A senior defense official at the Pentagon said the Iraqi soldiers' initial mission is to man checkpoints around the city. Marines will remain on or near the city's perimeter and plan at a later stage to conduct their own patrols inside the city, the official said on condition of anonymity.

The Iraqi force will be all volunteer and will consist of former Iraqi soldiers from the Fallujah area who are vetted by U.S. authorities, the official said.

Marines went into Fallujah to find those responsible for the March 31 killing and mutilation of four American contract workers, whose bodies were burned and dragged through the streets.

However, the United States has been under intense pressure from the United Nations, its international partners and its Iraqi allies to end the bloodshed, in which hundreds of Iraqi civilians are believed to have died.

I say:

This doesn't smell right. I'm all for turning it over to locals over time, but shouldn't we starting them off with easy stuff? And shouldn't it be locals we can trust? Weren't the thugs in Fallujah [link|http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/fallujah.htm|in thick with] the erstwhile oppressors of Iraq?

It's good we precision bombed these bastards. But are we sure we softened them up enough to turn them over to less experienced hands? Is there a compelling reason to let any of the ghouls who murdered and desecrated those [link|http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4651943/|aid workers] escape with their lives? Shouldn't we follow through ourselves?

And do we really let the United Nations have any influence on us anymore? It's not like they have any credibility, least of all regarding Iraq. There's a [link|http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040429-085643-3429r.htm|big scandal brewing] over the Oil for Food program, and the UN is stonewalling the investigation.

Well, it's the New York Times, so maybe what really going on isn't nearly this bad.

Oh, and [link|http://messopotamian.blogspot.com/2004_04_01_messopotamian_archive.html#108328306762866956|an Iraqi blogger] thinks this makes us look weak, and that we need to be tougher right now.


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DEAL WITH IT.
Americans: a pack, not a herd.
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
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New Don't worry, old son
We may be going soft in Fallujah, but we've been givin' the rascals what for at Abu Ghraib:

[link|http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444|http://www.antiwar.c...s/?articleid=2444]

Meet the new boss...
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New Yeah, didn't you just hate it when Saddam did even worse...
than this? Weren't you just falling over yourself to demand that something be done about it?

Oh wait. You weren't, you hypocrite. But never mind. The Great Satan Uncle Sam is taking descisive disciplinary action in both cases.


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DEAL WITH IT.
Americans: a pack, not a herd.
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
"It\ufffds Warholian: in the future, all conflicts will be Vietnam for 15 minutes." - Lileks
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New Americans: a pack, not a herd
You got that right:

[link|http://www.albasrah.net/images/iraqi-pow/iraqi-pow|http://www.albasrah....aqi-pow/iraqi-pow]

Note the up-close-and-personal liberation being administered to the female locals in images 16-24 by Our Brave Boys. And "decisive disciplinary action"? Hanging a few scapegoats out to dry? It is to laugh.
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New Uh, Rand...?
The don't wear green camo in Iraq.

I think you've been had.
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New Ouch!
Shucks. The set-up possibility had occurred to me (except I thought that a spoof would have yielded to the temptation of doing it with slightly higher technical quality, forgetting the insatiable lust the lower orders have for steep levels of JPEG compression)—but the desert vs. jungle camo issue did not even register. An interesting lesson in the tendency to see what we expect to see: the sequence now appears staged, as it did not on first look. Ah, well, to brandish a point is to risk, as here, falling upon it.

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New They do look staged, too.
Someone's sick "rape th' towel heds" fantasy. Hard to believe if it weren't for some of the nastier spam emails I've gotten.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New the rape scenes are suspect but the rest should have those
smiling assholes breaking rocks in levenworth. You dont need shit like that to break people, anyone who has visited the glasshouse could tell you that. This was good old boy fun and a good old boy jail sentence should be handed out right up to that General in charge,
thanx,
bill
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New Our own civilian prisoners are regularly abused
-drl
New Take that man's name
That's not the way we do things in America.
—George W. Bush

And anyone who suggests otherwise is an enemy combatant.

cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New However....
...non-US forces in Afghanistan were rumoured to be wearing their greens in order that they might not be mistaken for Americans.

Go figure.

Edit: Not rumoured, it seems:
[link|http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/scfcn/CTVNews/20030710/green_uniforms_afghanistan_030710/World/|http://www.ctv.ca/se...tan_030710/World/]


Peter
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Expand Edited by pwhysall May 1, 2004, 12:17:54 PM EDT
New Well, as it is...
The prison shots with the hooded naked prisoners is sickening enough.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Sure they do
They're NG MPs. I doubt they wear desert combat clothes in their daily activities. Even the regular Marines in the field wear green camouflaged flak jackets.

Are you saying these photos are not real?
-drl
New That's what I'm saying.
The prison photos look authentic. The porn photos do not.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New I have a problem with this lot of photos

The rape scenes whilst very disturbing, give the appearance of staged photos and are not mentioned anywhere in the text.

This at first glance looks like a classic guilt by association (of all the photos) - there is no comentary or provinence for the added in photos (rape scenes).

They may be genuine but in this context they lack any credibility. They do look like a blatant attempt to piggy-back extra horror on the existing offensive photos.

Doug Marker
New It does not matter
From now on, anything goes. Tomorrow someone will concoct a pictures of US soldiers pissing on the floor of Imam Ali mosque in Najaf, and that will work too.

That smiling bitch in Baghdad just cost us the moral high ground for the next few generations. It's too bad we cannot really become like that.
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     Going soft on Fallujah? - (marlowe) - (16)
         Don't worry, old son - (rcareaga) - (14)
             Yeah, didn't you just hate it when Saddam did even worse... - (marlowe) - (13)
                 Americans: a pack, not a herd - (rcareaga) - (12)
                     Uh, Rand...? - (admin) - (9)
                         Ouch! - (rcareaga) - (4)
                             They do look staged, too. - (admin)
                             the rape scenes are suspect but the rest should have those - (boxley) - (2)
                                 Our own civilian prisoners are regularly abused -NT - (deSitter) - (1)
                                     Take that man's name - (rcareaga)
                         However.... - (pwhysall) - (1)
                             Well, as it is... - (admin)
                         Sure they do - (deSitter) - (1)
                             That's what I'm saying. - (admin)
                     I have a problem with this lot of photos - (dmarker) - (1)
                         It does not matter - (Arkadiy)
         Cutting & Running -NT - (andread)

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