Post #150,135
4/5/04 4:33:12 PM
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Actually, it is...
Preamble to the Constitution of the United States of America: We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. If you look at the preface to the whole mess, it's all there. It's just a matter of interpretation... Which is why our legal system is a hoinked up. If you don't provide for the common defense, you'll have a hell of a time ensuring domestic tranquility, establishing justice, etc...
Just a few thoughts,
Danno
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Post #150,149
4/5/04 5:28:23 PM
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Confucius said it better
(Explaining various of the consequences, if Language is not correct) . . . etc.
..the people will stand about in helpless confusion.
Then justice will go astray, hence it matters above all else that language be correct.
(Hell, you can't even WRITE a "Constitution" - if no one can imagine why you'd need one - or decipher what's in it.. if you try.)
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Post #150,163
4/5/04 6:01:44 PM
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Not sure what your point is
I'm not sure what your point is here, but I suspect you are forgetting the context of this conversation. It's not a question what our constitution says, but rather a question of what a constitution should say.
And just so it's clear, I certainly do agree that defense is matter for the government. It's just that I also think health care is a matter that our government should cover. And I don't see any absolute difference between them that says that one must be a government matter and the other shouldn't be.
Jay
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Post #150,167
4/5/04 6:06:00 PM
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why should government cover health care?
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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Post #150,178
4/5/04 7:40:43 PM
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Why should business 'cover' health care?
And for those not-working for a plethora of reasons:
Should there be any healthcare? (After the local hospital is bankrupted by indigents at Emergency rates: mandated by State govt but unfunded.)
Practicing up for social Darwinism again, Box?
ie. Screw your 6 word slogans about complex matters. Is that Geek-debate or something? We get enough of that horseshit on FOXX.
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Post #150,189
4/5/04 9:44:30 PM
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Lets start a new thread, free medical care for all or not (new thread)
Created as new thread #150188 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=150188|Lets start a new thread, free medical care for all or not]
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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Post #150,187
4/5/04 9:37:12 PM
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Things to consider
These are some of the things I would consider when deciding if something should be run and/or managed by the government.
1. It is something that everybody needs. For both defense and health care this is obvious.
2. It is something that need to be organized on a vast scale. Obviously true in both cases.
3. It is not something that can be run well for profit. More arguable, but experience shows in both cases that maximizing profit involves reducing quality of service. For mercenaries this means dragging out conflicts while minimizing actual combat. For medicine, it means forcing people to use cheaper medicine even if better ones are available and denying coverage as much as possible.
4. It is something that is better run by governments then others. For military service this has been historical true, countries that depend too much on mercenaries end up in trouble. It's more arguable for medicine, but the experience of European countries says that at the least it can be run as well by the government as by buisness.
5. It's in the government's best interest that this be handled well. Obvious for the military, more arguable for medicine. But I think it's in a countries long term interest to have healthy citizens.
Jay
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Post #150,190
4/5/04 9:45:36 PM
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Have you visited a VA hospital or IHS clinic lately?
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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