Post #150,052
4/5/04 8:17:10 AM
4/5/04 10:17:33 AM
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Not Done Yet are you (Now with EIDE and SCSI)
EIDE eServer 325Base Model Features and Specifications |
Part No | Unit Price | Quantity | Price | eServer 325 | Form factor | Rack | Processor type | Opteron | Processor speed | 2200 MHz | Processor cache | 1024 KB | Hard drive type | EIDE | Memory | 1024 MB | Maximum memory | 12288 MB | Optical drive | 24X CD-ROM |
| 883562X | $3,389.00 | 1 | $3,389.00 | | Accessories and Options Selected | Part No | Unit Price | Quantity | Price | 80GB 7200rpm EIDE ATA/100 HDD | 09N4226 | $189.00 | 1 | $189.00 | eServer 325 Opteron processor model 248 | 13N0701 | $1,499.00 | 1 | $1,499.00 | No Internal RAID | 32P9669 | $0.00 | 1 | $0.00 | 1GB PC2700 CL2.5 ECC DDR SDRAM RDIMM | 73P2267 | $619.00 | 4 | $2,476.00 | Warranty service upgrade; 3 year onsite repair 24x7x4 hour | 69P9507 | $599.00 | 1 | $599.00 | |
| | Total: | $8152.00 |
That is without any taxes or shipping. These prices are a bit out of date, as IBM hasn't updated the AMD stuff for the 325 is a bit. SO it'll prolly be cheaper... and you can prolly get the 250GB drives as well. SCSI eServer 325Base Model Features and Specifications | Part No | Unit Price | Quantity | Price | eServer 325 | Form factor | Rack | Processor type | Opteron | Processor speed | 2200 MHz | Processor cache | 1024 KB | Hot swap HDD | Yes | Memory | 1024 MB | Maximum memory | 12288 MB | Optical drive | 24X CD-ROM |
| 883561X | $3,399.00 | 1 | $3,399.00 | | Accessories and Options Selected | Part No | Unit Price | Quantity | Price | Integrated Mirroring - 2 HDD's required | 01R1356 | $0.00 | 1 | $0.00 | eServer 325 Opteron processor model 248 | 13N0701 | $1,499.00 | 1 | $1,499.00 | IBM 73.4 GB 10K rpm Ultra320 SCSI Hot-Swap HDD | 32P0727 | $439.00 | 2 | $878.00 | Warranty service upgrade; 3 year onsite repair 24x7x4 hour | 69P9507 | $599.00 | 1 | $599.00 | 1GB PC2700 CL2.5 ECC DDR SDRAM RDIMM | 73P2267 | $619.00 | 4 | $2,476.00 | | | | Total: | $8851.00 |
Personally iffn it is only $700, I'd go with the u320 Mirrored Drives meself.
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Edited by folkert
April 5, 2004, 09:27:58 AM EDT
Not Done Yet are you :)
eServer 325
Base Model Features and Specifications |
Part No |
Unit Price* |
Quantity |
Price* |
eServer 325 |
Form factor |
Rack |
Processor type |
Opteron |
Processor speed |
2200 MHz |
Processor cache |
1024 KB |
Hard drive type |
EIDE |
Memory |
1024 MB |
Maximum memory |
12288 MB |
Optical drive |
24X CD-ROM |
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883562X |
$3,389.00 |
1 |
$3,389.00 |
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Accessories and Options Selected |
Part No |
Unit Price* |
Quantity |
Price* |
80GB 7200rpm EIDE ATA/100 HDD |
09N4226 |
$189.00 |
1 |
$189.00 |
eServer 325 Opteron processor model 248 |
13N0701 |
$1,499.00 |
1 |
$1,499.00 |
No Internal RAID |
32P9669 |
$0.00 |
1 |
$0.00 |
1GB PC2700 CL2.5 ECC DDR SDRAM RDIMM |
73P2267 |
$619.00 |
4 |
$2,476.00 |
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"I told my doctor that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous, everyone hasn't met me yet." -Rodney Dangerfield
Edited by folkert
April 5, 2004, 09:46:25 AM EDT
Not Done Yet are you :)
eServer 325Base Model Features and Specifications |
Part No | Unit Price | Quantity | Price | eServer 325 | Form factor | Rack | Processor type | Opteron | Processor speed | 2200 MHz | Processor cache | 1024 KB | Hard drive type | EIDE | Memory | 1024 MB | Maximum memory | 12288 MB | Optical drive | 24X CD-ROM |
| 883562X | $3,389.00 | 1 | $3,389.00 | | Accessories and Options Selected | Part No | Unit Price | Quantity | Price | 80GB 7200rpm EIDE ATA/100 HDD | 09N4226 | $189.00 | 2 | $378.00 | eServer 325 Opteron processor model 248 | 13N0701 | $1,499.00 | 1 | $1,499.00 | No Internal RAID | 32P9669 | $0.00 | 1 | $0.00 | 1GB PC2700 CL2.5 ECC DDR SDRAM RDIMM | 73P2267 | $619.00 | 4 | $2,476.00 | |
| | Total: | $7742 |
That is without any taxes or shipping. These prices are a bit out of date, as IBM hasn't updated the AMD stuff for the 325 is a bit. SO it'll prolly be cheaper... and you can prolly get the 250GB drives as well.
-- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
"I told my doctor that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous, everyone hasn't met me yet." -Rodney Dangerfield
Edited by folkert
April 5, 2004, 10:15:18 AM EDT
Not Done Yet are you :)
eServer 325Base Model Features and Specifications |
Part No | Unit Price | Quantity | Price | eServer 325 | Form factor | Rack | Processor type | Opteron | Processor speed | 2200 MHz | Processor cache | 1024 KB | Hard drive type | EIDE | Memory | 1024 MB | Maximum memory | 12288 MB | Optical drive | 24X CD-ROM |
| 883562X | $3,389.00 | 1 | $3,389.00 | | Accessories and Options Selected | Part No | Unit Price | Quantity | Price | 80GB 7200rpm EIDE ATA/100 HDD | 09N4226 | $189.00 | 1 | $189.00 | eServer 325 Opteron processor model 248 | 13N0701 | $1,499.00 | 1 | $1,499.00 | No Internal RAID | 32P9669 | $0.00 | 1 | $0.00 | 1GB PC2700 CL2.5 ECC DDR SDRAM RDIMM | 73P2267 | $619.00 | 4 | $2,476.00 | Warranty service upgrade; 3 year onsite repair 24x7x4 hour | 69P9507 | $599.00 | 1 | $599.00 | |
| | Total: | $8152.00 |
That is without any taxes or shipping. These prices are a bit out of date, as IBM hasn't updated the AMD stuff for the 325 is a bit. SO it'll prolly be cheaper... and you can prolly get the 250GB drives as well. edit: forgot the warranty/service plan for 3 years
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"I told my doctor that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous, everyone hasn't met me yet." -Rodney Dangerfield
Edited by folkert
April 5, 2004, 10:17:33 AM EDT
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Post #150,073
4/5/04 11:15:33 AM
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The disks are too small
I figure I'll get a 3Ware with an external case. I need about a TB of usable space for MP tmp files. And the 3Ware / SATA is FAST!!!
Note: I just discovered that our current IBM 345 with the optional RAID controller and 6 disks doing a RAID 10 is HORRIBLE! I don't know if it is the setup or an intrinsic limitation (yet), but my Bonnie++ tests show it to be about 5 time slower than the nearest machine, and 8 times slower than my 3Ware SATA setup.
We have 3 of these that were setup at the same time. I've tested 2 of them and they performance the same.
I didn't set it up. The guy who did is gone.
You are going to hate me for this one.
These are the systems I was testing SAP-FB on!!!!!!!
This means I consider the test invalid and I was forced into NT SQL/Server for no good reason. ARRRGGGGG!!!!
6 months of pain and suffering because I was told to leave the systems group alone when they set stuff up so I didn't QC / performance test then. The weren't to be my systems at all. I had 3 days to install and test SAP-DB then they got handed to the final users.
Never again.
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Post #150,081
4/5/04 12:21:52 PM
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Try the SAP-DB stuff on
The Opterons now. Good a time as any.
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Post #150,082
4/5/04 12:28:52 PM
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RAID 10 == Nice for Data Protection...
But very sucky for performance.
I'd have done something else, but then I always do thing differently.
No biggy either. I knew something was up.
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Post #150,092
4/5/04 1:04:27 PM
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Explain
This should be the BEST of both worlds.
Many stripes across multiple disks while simulatenous mirroring so reads can be satisfied by alternating disk. No RAID5 calcluation or parity read/write penalty.
There should be NOTHING better than RAID 0, which means no protection.
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Post #150,100
4/5/04 2:05:50 PM
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RAID 1 can beat RAID 0
At least with some implementations if you plan to read much more often than write, it will.
RAID 0 has faster writes because you stripe the writes between 2 disks. RAID 1 on writing behaviour is pretty close to just having a single disk because it writes to both.
But RAID 1 can choose to stripe reads as well, and can ignore whatever is on the other disk. This lets it dynamically distribute the reading loads between the two disks, giving it better read latency than RAID 0 which has no choice about what disk to access a particular piece of data from.
Whether RAID 1 outperforms RAID 0 in practice depends heavily on your workload and RAID implementation. I know that it can because my boss at a previous job tested both on Linux 2.2 with software RAID and found that RAID 1 was faster, couldn't believe the result, and figured out how it is possible by reading the source-code.
Cheers, Ben
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Post #150,102
4/5/04 2:32:57 PM
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Not always so.
With RAID 10, you need to have FULL redundancy. 2 Controllers, 4 Disk (2 on each) for it to be fast. Basically duplicate data paths to make it faster.
Why would you want 1 controller with 4 disk? I am assuming you have an LX IBM ServeRAID card right? Meaning one channel. You have the data going to 2 disks first and then the other 2 second. On a single channel this makes it SLOW SLOW on Writes. No matter if you were on Raid 0 or not. Reads, different story, the controller will just ask the drives with the heads closest to get the data.
BTW, I am not talking about vpaths either. Seperate Bus for seperate instance of data. RAID-5 is different, reads and writes are nominal, but seperate arrays on seperate controllers (maybe just channels) in RAID-50, would beat RAID-10 in both reads and writes.
Of course this all changes when you only have one drive per channel, the 3ware stuff IOW.
Think about this, u320 is actually u80 with auto-matic hardware encoding (u160 uses the same type of blackmagic, but fewer tokens) the clocking is still the same. That is why u320 drives work on u160 and u80 channels. When it comes down to it, the scsi channel gets saturated quite easily in the different configs, unless they are designed specifically for the purpose at hand.
Whereas the Seperate Channel for each drive methodology is only limited by the controllers fabric and main IO capability.
Now, if this was SSA, things would be different, from a stand point of stacking rather than saturation, the SSA controller has two ways to access any device at a time... but still serial is still serial.
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"I told my doctor that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous, everyone hasn't met me yet." -Rodney Dangerfield
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