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New Uh.... Squeak sucks?
So, I've loaded the Squeak3.6-5424-full image. I'm following the tutorial [link|http://www.beta4.com/seaside2/tutorial.html|here].

I go to 'open' and 'PackageLoader'. This complains that the server is running 2.0 but the client is 1.0, and I must upgrade. Nifty... kinda like CPAN for Smalltalk, I guess. I answer "Yes" to the upgrade question.

Upgrading breaks with a doesNotUnderstand.

So, I start over. Fresh image. Don't upgrade this time.

I load MCInstaller. Cool.

I load Comanche. It asks if I want to load Seaside too (which I do). The Seaside install breaks: doesNotUnderstand. *sigh*

So, I start over. Fresh image. Don't upgrade this time. Don't have Comanche install Seaside.

But now there's no Seaside listed in the PackageLoader.

Gah.
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New I'll bet Todd can get you fixed up...
New you have to update the package loader
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New Er... ok... that part broke.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New I updated the loader just fine.
Dunno why it broke for you

Bring up the loder's menu, you can see installed packages.

But... So far, I have to agree - Squeak seems to be inferior compared to Visual Works.

BTW, can somebody explain why Morphics is so cool? So far it seems like a step backwards from MVC - take all things so neatly separated in MVC and clump them back together again.
--

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New Maybe I'll try a manual install then.
But I used the latest image from the squeak.org site.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New You have to update the package loader
and I just tried it with the 3.6-3 release version I got from [link|http://www-sor.inria.fr/~piumarta/squeak/|Ian's site] - which incidentally sports the Squeak-3.6-5429.image which fixes your problem.

As one might expect with a resource project thing like this, Squeak goes through periods of instability. Going from PackageLoader 1.0 to 2.0 occurred at the same time that the Monticello version control package was adopted and things just after 3.6 final got a little shaky in spots. Many people are now onto 3.7 beta.

PackageLoader is indeed a lot like CPAN and there is a move on to shrink the thing to a minimal bootstrap image that can expand itself over a network connection and unload stuff again later (this is likely to be a confluence of the package loader, the squat project, monticello, and some other to-be invented technology).

Once you get all the package installed that you want, I urge you to save a copy of that image to use as a starter for future projects.

Its a bit like trying to get a couple of the opensource web app frameworks configured (I'm playing with Tapestry/Cayenne at the moment). It takes a bit of fiddling to get all the lib versions to line up.

Edit - added link to Ian's site.



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Expand Edited by tuberculosis April 6, 2004, 04:14:54 PM EDT
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 12:45:22 PM EDT
New That's the image I used.
/usr/share/squeak/Squeak3.6-5429-full.image.gz

The Debian package version of Squeak itself must be broken somehow.

I'll try the version from your link.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New I wouldn't trust the debian version
its brand new and still sort of experimental.



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     --Alan Lovejoy
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 12:45:30 PM EDT
New Worked great
New toy to play with tonight. ;-)
Regards,

-scott anderson

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     Uh.... Squeak sucks? - (admin) - (9)
         I'll bet Todd can get you fixed up... -NT - (Another Scott)
         you have to update the package loader -NT - (boxley) - (1)
             Er... ok... that part broke. -NT - (admin)
         I updated the loader just fine. - (Arkadiy) - (1)
             Maybe I'll try a manual install then. - (admin)
         You have to update the package loader - (tuberculosis) - (3)
             That's the image I used. - (admin) - (1)
                 I wouldn't trust the debian version - (tuberculosis)
             Worked great - (admin)

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