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New Blood on Kerry's hands: a fraud, and a lesson unlearned
[link|http://www.townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/mc20040402.shtml|Dick Cavett got it wrong, too]

Excerpt 1, the Big Lie:

On this subject, O'Neill, who had served in the same unit as Kerry, though not at the same time, was loaded for bear. He noted that he had served in Vietnam for 18 months, in contrast to Kerry's four, and had seen nothing to "shock the conscience." He demanded to know if Kerry had personally committed war crimes. Kerry squirmed. O'Neill persisted.

Kerry elected to say that, well, he had participated in burning the huts of noncombatants, which qualifies as a war crime under the Geneva Convention.

O'Neill replied that when he had been in the region, their unit had received heavy fire from all directions. What O'Neill did not say, but might have, is that it was often difficult in that frustrating and murky war to tell the soldiers from the civilians. That was in large part because the Vietcong dressed as civilians and used civilians as human shields.

Still, burning down someone's straw hut, while not exactly polite, is far from the sort of war crime Kerry had conjured in his Senate testimony. As for all the soldiers Kerry had quoted, the Naval Investigative Service attempted to interview all 150 of them to get names, dates and places. What they discovered, as B.G. Burkett unveiled in his groundbreaking book "Stolen Valor," is that many of those so-called Vietnam Vets had never even been to Vietnam. Among those who had, many had never seen combat but had technical or service jobs. None was able to sign an affidavit attesting to actual atrocities.

I say:

An astroturf campaign against defending South Vietnam?

Kerry Lied!!!! (TM)

...anyone?

Excerpt 2: the Lesson Unlearned:

Kerry did make a provocative point when he asked whether it was fair to continue the war when we had already decided to withdraw (the United States was then engaged in the "Vietnamization" policy, which was intended to transfer war fighting gradually to the South Vietnamese). Some soldier, Kerry said, "is going to be the last guy to die for an admitted mistake." What Kerry failed to see, and still fails to see, judging by his votes regarding the Iraq War (he voted for the war but against the funds to see it through), is that there are consequences to cutting and running in ignominious fashion.

Cavett attempted to remain neutral, but it was ultimately too much for him. Not only did he agree with Kerry, but O'Neill tried his patience by interrupting repeatedly. With barely concealed sarcasm, Cavett said: "Nobody believes that there will be a blood bath if we withdraw. That was a cliche we used to hear a lot. Neither of you believes that do you?" Kerry's answer was emblematic of the antiwar left. He said he thought it was a "baiting argument" by the pro-war side since "there'd be no interest on the part of the Vietnamese to start massacring people after people (the United States) had pulled out."

Following America's withdrawal and Congress' decision to cut off every penny for Southeast Asia, there was a terrible genocide in Cambodia, so terrible that it overshadows the horror of what befell Vietnam. Roughly 800,000 boat people chose to take their lives in their hands rather than remain in communist Vietnam. Some 65,000 were executed, and this does not include those who slowly starved in concentration camps.

I say:

If it's fair game to blame Bush for every death in post-Saddam Iraq, then by the same token, it's fair to blame Kerry for the massacre in Cambodia nad the plight of the boat people. So if Dubya is a war criminal, then Kerry is a few orders of magnitude more of a war criminal.

But never mind logic. That won't stop the loons on the Left from trying to have it both ways. Never did.

Oh, and why don't the squishy left's hearts bleed for the victims of Kerry's policies?
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DEAL WITH IT.
Americans: a pack, not a herd.
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
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New what does this have to do with Bush paying for an abortion?
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
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New Wrong again

If it's fair game to blame Bush for every death in post-Saddam Iraq, then by the same token, it's fair to blame Kerry for the massacre in Cambodia nad the plight of the boat people. So if Dubya is a war criminal, then Kerry is a few orders of magnitude more of a war criminal.

Dubya is the president - he's the guy in charge of the whole war and, in fact, started it. Kerry was what, a lietenant, in charge of maybe a dozen people. Dubya is exponentially more guilty as a "war criminal" (to use your words) than Kerry ever could be.

BTW, who allowed that planeload of bin Ladens to fly out of the country to Saudi Arabia while every other plane was grounded right after 9/11? Sure wasn't Kerry.
lincoln
"Windows XP has so many holes in its security that any reasonable user will conclude it was designed by the same German officer who created the prison compound in "Hogan's Heroes." - Andy Ihnatko, Chicago Sun-Times
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New Kerry was what, an influential activist who got his way...
directly resulting in the deaths of - "so what(TM)" - hundreds of thousands.

And you are what, full of shit.

By the way, it was Richard Clarke who let that planeload of Saudis out. Since you asked.
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DEAL WITH IT.
Americans: a pack, not a herd.
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New Clarke said he left it to the FBI, who decided to let 'em go
New Go away, you sad little man.


Peter
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New Back up your words

Kerry was what, an influential activist who got his way...
directly resulting in the deaths of - "so what(TM)" - hundreds of thousands.


When and how was Kerry an "influential activist"? How did he "get his way resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands"? Oh, you're thinking of the 12 years under Reagan, Bush Sr and Rumsfeld supporting Saddam long before a Democrat was voted into the White House. Those thousands of deaths occurred during the Republican's watch.

I'm dying to see what bullshit you whip up to support such inane reasoning.

lincoln
"Windows XP has so many holes in its security that any reasonable user will conclude it was designed by the same German officer who created the prison compound in "Hogan's Heroes." - Andy Ihnatko, Chicago Sun-Times
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New Marlowe is :( his commie masters are not infallable after al
his predictions of the happy Iraqis kissing uncle sams ass has been given over into balkanizing Iraq into tribal trusts. He now advocates splitting the country into 3 parts. Problem is there is 6 ethnic groups and 2 countries, one an ally and one a foe that is determined that this will not happen. Allow him some slack to regroup and fit the world view spoon fed by his betters to resolve into something compact again. His jingoism will arise and he will be able to deflate his donut a little and expound as old.
thanx,
bill
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
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New LRPD: I don't think mammals are meant to eat reptiles.
New I don't know if you're aware of this but...
The US pulled out of Vietnam, leaving the South Vietnamese and the Cambodians to the tender mercies of Communists. And then there were boat people and killing fields and stacks of skulls...

Gee, I thought everybody knew this. It was all very well noted at the time. How is it that, after all this time, the ignorance of the idiotarians can still surprise me?

I know you pathetic fuckwits know nothing of history before Vietnam. But can actually know nothing of history even immediately after Vietnam? How do you manage to maintain such utter ignorance of basic common knowledge? Do you take drugs to erase your memory? Do you live in a cult commune out in the desert and know only what Noam Chomsky tells you?
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DEAL WITH IT.
Americans: a pack, not a herd.
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New WHBT.
WHL. HAND.


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New And you say that all of it was Kerry's fault?
What a load of BS. He was there, Dubya wasn't. He stood up for his convictions while Dubya was snorting coke and getting caught DUI. Johnson and Nixon weren't into "nation building", just as Shrub is not into "nation building" today. Look where we ended up - dead US civilians being strung on on bridges. But you were the one insinuating that the Iraqi people would love us once we toppled Saddam right after we found the WMDs.

So whatever happened after the US pulled out of Saigon in 1973 is Kerry's fault? Only in your fantasy world, and in Shrub's religious far right-wing mind. Maybe we should have stayed over there and had tens of thousands more Americans killed to satisfy you.
lincoln
"Windows XP has so many holes in its security that any reasonable user will conclude it was designed by the same German officer who created the prison compound in "Hogan's Heroes." - Andy Ihnatko, Chicago Sun-Times
[link|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net|contact me]
New YHBT. YHL. HAND.
     Blood on Kerry's hands: a fraud, and a lesson unlearned - (marlowe) - (12)
         what does this have to do with Bush paying for an abortion? -NT - (boxley)
         Wrong again - (lincoln) - (10)
             Kerry was what, an influential activist who got his way... - (marlowe) - (9)
                 Clarke said he left it to the FBI, who decided to let 'em go -NT - (Another Scott)
                 Go away, you sad little man. -NT - (pwhysall)
                 Back up your words - (lincoln) - (6)
                     Marlowe is :( his commie masters are not infallable after al - (boxley) - (1)
                         LRPD: I don't think mammals are meant to eat reptiles. -NT - (Ashton)
                     I don't know if you're aware of this but... - (marlowe) - (3)
                         WHBT. - (pwhysall)
                         And you say that all of it was Kerry's fault? - (lincoln) - (1)
                             YHBT. YHL. HAND. -NT - (inthane-chan)

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