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New Gary Hart: More.. Condi Rice warnings unheeded
[link|http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/04/02/hart/| Salon].
Condi Rice's other wake-up call
Former Sen. Gary Hart says he, too, warned Rice about an imminent terror attack on two occasions before 9/11.


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By David Talbot

April 2, 2004 | Richard Clarke was not the only national security expert who warned National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and other Bush administration officials about terrorist threats before 9/11. Former Democratic Sen. Gary Hart of Colorado also directly told senior Bush officials loudly and clearly that, in his words, "The terrorists are coming, the terrorists are coming."

Hart was co-chair (with former Sen. Warren Rudman, R-N.H.) of the U.S. Commission on National Security, a bipartisan panel that conducted the most thorough investigation of U.S. security challenges since World War II. After completing the report, which warned that a devastating terrorist attack on America was imminent and called for the immediate creation of a Cabinet-level national security agency, and delivering it to President Bush on January 31, 2001, Hart and Rudman personally briefed Rice, Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell. But, according to Hart, the Bush administration never followed up on the commission's urgent recommendations, even after he repeated them in a private White House meeting with Rice just days before 9/11.

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What was the reaction from Bush officials to your warnings about terrorism when you delivered your final report to the president in late January 2001?

We didn't meet with President Bush. But we briefed at length Don Rumsfeld, Colin Powell and Condi Rice. And all of them at that time treated it seriously. I conducted the briefing, along with my co-chairman Warren Rudman, and Gen. Charles Boyd, who was our commission's executive director, and maybe one or two other commissioners. I would say the response was respectful, professional, serious. And Rumsfeld, as I recall, made pages of notes on a yellow pad.

After your briefings, do you think the administration responded adequately to your warnings?

Well, let me just go through the history of things. Because we also sent copies of the report to every member of Congress. And we lobbied specific members of Congress, including Joe Lieberman, who took it very seriously. And in the spring of 2001, some members of Congress introduced legislation to create a homeland security agency. Hearings were scheduled. And our commission, which was scheduled to go out of operation on Feb. 15, 2001, was given a six-month extension so we could testify with some authority. Which we did in March and April.

And then as Congress started to move on this, and the heat was turned up, George Bush -- and this is often overlooked -- held a press conference or made a public statement on May 5, 2001, calling on Congress not to act and saying he was [link|http://dir.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/09/12/bush/index.html| turning over the whole matter to Dick Cheney].

So this wasn't just neglect, it was an active position by the administration. He said, "I don't want Congress to do anything until the vice president advises me." We now know from Dick Clarke that Cheney never held a meeting on terrorism, there was never any kind of discussion on the department of homeland security that we had proposed. There was no vice presidential action on this matter.

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And so it goes.
New Sure you don't mean Donna Rice?
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DEAL WITH IT.
Americans: a pack, not a herd.
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
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New No, he was rimming Donna, Informing Condi
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
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New Now that's an image I didn't need @ 5:30am... :P
Nobody wins in a butter eating contest
New The threat is imminent! The threat is imminent!!!!
"A direct attack against American citizens on American soil is likely over the next quarter century," according to the report.


released in Feb 01.

Damn..nothing like a "Nostradamus" prediction there! since we (on our soil)had been the victim of 2 massive terror attacks in the 10 years prior.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Re: The threat is imminent! The threat is imminent!!!!
So what does Duh do in the face of this admittedly general warning? Completely ignore it in favor of building missles!. How insightful!
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New Oh stop.
Really. Stop. Your killin me here.

This is so over the top its laughable.

Something bad is gonna happen in the next 25 years??? To be turned into an "I told you so" type article.?

They didn't act for a whole 3 months on my proposal (wah! wah!) even though I told them they had, give or take, 25 years to deal with it.

It wasn't ignored. It was actioned in a way that they disagreed with...so their translation...he ignored us.

Tell you what. If another agency had to be created, I would've likely done the same thing. Thanks for the task list and the list of requirements gentleman! Appreciate all the hard work...I'll have xxx follow up with you later.

Here ya go FEMA, make this happen.

And the press continues to push this as the federal government can't walk and chew gum at the same time....I mean...how could they be serious about terrorism if they passed Medicare reform????? Really now...how could they?

And >I< get accused of drinking the koolaid.

Sheesh.

If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

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New Doesn't this make the case against the Bushes worse?
Given your earlier quote...
Damn..nothing like a "Nostradamus" prediction there! since we (on our soil)had been the victim of 2 massive terror attacks in the 10 years prior.


So, as I understand it, you stating that Hart is full of it because Hart is claiming MORE attacks in the next 25 years was stupid because we were attacked twice in the last 10 years. Another domestic attack should've been painfully obvious to see.

The speech was postponed in the chaos of the day, part of which Rice spent in a bunker. It mentioned terrorism, but did so in the context used in other Bush administration speeches in early 2001: as one of the dangers from rogue nations, such as Iraq, that might use weapons of terror, rather than from the cells of extremists now considered the main security threat to the United States.

The text also implicitly challenged the Clinton administration's policy, saying it did not do enough about the real threat -- long-range missiles.

Yet, the White House viewed Ballistic Missiles as the real threat to the US. "We need to worry about the suitcase bomb, the car bomb and the vial of sarin released in the subway," according to excerpts of the speech provided to The Washington Post. "[But] why put deadbolt locks on your doors and stock up on cans of mace and then decide to leave your windows open?
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40697-2004M| Source ]

Why worry about the windows when the criminals keep using the front door?
Expand Edited by Simon_Jester April 2, 2004, 07:13:23 PM EST
New What case?
The one made by the guy trying to sell books?

If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New One question.
How'd marlowe get your picture and password?
bcnu,
Mikem

The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.

- Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
New And it continues...
...Somebody, anybody, no matter how conflicted his interests are, comes out telling people what they want to hear and its granted gospel status.

Quit frothing...its gonna get on your shirt:-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New I don't see anyone laughing
Except you of course, but it's more of a nervous twitter thatn a genuine laugh.

I mean, Condi Rice delivered the message w/o laughing....
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

     Gary Hart: More.. Condi Rice warnings unheeded - (Ashton) - (11)
         Sure you don't mean Donna Rice? -NT - (marlowe) - (2)
             No, he was rimming Donna, Informing Condi -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                 Now that's an image I didn't need @ 5:30am... :P -NT - (inthane-chan)
         The threat is imminent! The threat is imminent!!!! - (bepatient) - (7)
             Re: The threat is imminent! The threat is imminent!!!! - (jb4) - (6)
                 Oh stop. - (bepatient) - (5)
                     Doesn't this make the case against the Bushes worse? - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                         What case? - (bepatient) - (2)
                             One question. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                 And it continues... - (bepatient)
                     I don't see anyone laughing - (jb4)

We'll all still go there on holiday, get the shits, and complain about their hilariously bad plumbing.
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