either the bible is true or it aint :-)

Post #146,652 by boxley 3/17/04 8:14:06 AM Reply	either the bible is true or it aint :-) when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #146,659 by inthane-chan 3/17/04 8:54:26 AM Reply	Define "Truth" for all values of "True" :-)
Post #146,713 by tuberculosis 3/17/04 1:56:18 PM Reply	0 == false, !false == true Truth comes in many forms. From the book of K&R, 2nd Edition, Chapter 1 - Types. The tree of research must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of bean counters. -- Alan Kay
Post #146,721 by ben_tilly 3/17/04 2:21:01 PM Reply	Why VB programmers are depressed VB does not have logical operators, it has bitwise ones. 0 is false, and therefore to make the bitwise operator act like the logical one, the canonical value of true is the bitwise negation of 0, which is -1. But it gets depressing having the truth be negative all the time... Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #146,726 by deSitter 3/17/04 2:43:14 PM Reply	This is correct behavior Having T = -1 is very handy. HP-BASIC has T = -1 as well. -drl
Post #146,737 by Ashton 3/17/04 3:44:05 PM Reply	T negative? I see.. 'niti niti' - (not this.. not this..) ie The proper role for the limited capabilities of the mind, in metaphysical matters is that of negation - Nope, this ain't It.. Nope.. this one sucks . . . Ergo negation of the False may well not 'reveal' the True, but it's an Essential part of the trip --> Towards! .^.. this Negative is a Positive. (One needs special notation here, dunno Sanskrit for QED; it isn't a particularly argumentative language ;-) These observations certified True\ufffd: My UPS just now weathered a 6.66 second power-outage. Power outage?
Post #146,748 by deSitter 3/17/04 4:14:58 PM Reply	The reason The "negation" operation toggles every bit, so the sum of something and its negation gives 1111...1. The is the largest possible integer involving this many digits - add one and the counter clicks over like a maxed-out odometer - and you're back to 0000...0. Conventionally, we call this "-1", the number you add "one" to in order to get "zero". In this scheme truth and falsity are associated with an order - the order is defined by addition and subtraction. In the version where anything non-zero is "true" there is no order, only occupation. -drl
Post #146,754 by Ashton 3/17/04 4:52:18 PM Reply	Perhaps in the world of duality 1-s complement is the free key hidden in Plain Sight.. Never Mind them "7 Seals", the []octave, (or the H line-spectrum on our flying Love-letters -- tryin for a blind-date with other species?) n'other fanciful diversions.. PS - on your 8-digit el cheapo calculator: Quick! (2 seconds or less, to say - no cheating): What's 11111111 x 1.1111111 = ? and its enneagram interaction, all so useful in 'body-type'-space ~ very much like the function of astrological psych archetypes... er :-\ufffd
Post #146,756 by deSitter 3/17/04 4:57:39 PM Reply	easy, 111111110.0 -drl
Post #146,764 by Ashton 3/17/04 5:09:27 PM Reply	Utterly {sob} terrifically insouciantly Wrong___Alas :(
Post #146,766 by deSitter 3/17/04 5:13:30 PM Reply	it's floating point, what do you expect? -drl
Post #146,805 by Ashton 3/17/04 6:21:41 PM Reply	Spec'd instrument: 4-banger calculator, 8-digit display RTPI
Post #146,809 by deSitter 3/17/04 6:26:34 PM Reply	real time performance indicator? i.e. electronic gauge? -drl
Post #146,814 by Another Scott 3/17/04 6:37:23 PM Reply	I think those things have nixies... ;-)
Post #146,833 by deSitter 3/17/04 7:52:57 PM Reply	sigh nostalgia for a big honkin' desk calculator with 16 -drl
Post #146,858 by pwhysall 3/18/04 1:42:21 AM Reply	HP42S, cold dead hands, etc. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,866 by deSitter 3/18/04 1:55:12 AM Reply	Well it's a different thing With a desk calculator you programmed your fingers to do repetitive calculations. I could whip out a square root on a 4-banger like that. It was fun watching the numbers converge in a manual calculation. You could trace the 10 numerals inside the tube - it was very beautiful and delicate and each of 10 distinct numerals could be lighted without pixellation. [image\|http://www.classiccmp.org/calcmuseum/CanonL163.jpg\|\|\|\|] [image\|http://www.classiccmp.org/calcmuseum/Monroe1610.jpg\|\|\|\|] I worked with one of these: [image\|http://www.classiccmp.org/calcmuseum/HP9821.jpg\|\|\|\|] HP9821 Desktop Calculator with paper tape and cassette storage Nixies in Russian calculators: [link\|http://www.taswegian.com/MOSCOW/display.html\|http://www.taswegian...SCOW/display.html] -drl
Post #146,870 by pwhysall 3/18/04 2:05:47 AM Reply	Dude. I've barely got space on my desk for the 42S. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,873 by deSitter 3/18/04 2:09:00 AM Reply	the desk is an option These things were used a lot in labs. Usually an entire counter was holding it up. When the nixie tubes got a little older they started flickering, which could be annoying. But one would never display the wrong number. A fault in one anode disabled all the digits. Then you replaced the bad digit. -drl
Post #146,882 by Meerkat 3/18/04 5:28:30 AM Reply	Speaking of Nixie tubes [link\|http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/nixiegallery.html\|The Nixie Clock Gallery]. If ever I have enough money to waste, I am so getting one... John. Busy lad.
Post #146,883 by deSitter 3/18/04 5:33:03 AM Reply	I want one -drl
Post #146,884 by deSitter 3/18/04 5:35:45 AM 3/18/04 5:45:39 AM Reply	Project pages [link\|http://www.spettel.de/ralf/projekte/nixieclock/\|http://www.spettel.d...jekte/nixieclock/] [link\|http://www.amug.org/~jthomas/clockwork.html\|http://www.amug.org/...as/clockwork.html] -drl Edited by deSitter March 18, 2004, 05:45:39 AM EST Expand All History
Post #146,886 by pwhysall 3/18/04 7:13:07 AM Reply	Git [image\|http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/nixieg3.jpg\|\|Stop using Lynx, you incorrigible geek\|\|] How can I not want, beyond all reason, one of these? Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,896 by drewk 3/18/04 9:11:15 AM Reply	Absolute most bestest part of that one Look at the wheels for the year. "Bah, they're going to have a y10k issue with that one." === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #146,903 by pwhysall 3/18/04 9:58:09 AM Reply	Wonder if it does leap years properly? Bet it does, you know. It's bloody beautiful. But then, I think computers should look like they do in Brazil. (the film, not the country). Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,929 by a6l6e6x 3/18/04 1:36:19 PM Reply	Nixie tubes and a small world. [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixie_tube\|Nixie tubes] were developed by Burroughs Corp. As a college student in 1960, I had a summer job with Burroughs at their Paoli, PA site. Nothing to do with nixie tubes. [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burroughs_Corporation\|Burroughs Corp.] strated it's life in St. Louis, where DeSitter sits, in 1886 as American Arithmometer Company. Burroughs merged with Sperry to form Unisys. Alex Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom ... the argument of tyrants ... the creed of slaves. -- William Pitt, addressing the British House of Commons (1783)

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