Girl survives 14m fall, god is reason

Post #146,479 by lister 3/16/04 12:24:45 PM Reply	Girl survives 14m fall, god is reason [link\|http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2004/03/16/383554-ap.html\|http://cnews.canoe.c...16/383554-ap.html] Read the two quotes from the mother and aunt in the second and third paragraphs. This is why religious people, especially Christians, make my mind boggle. If "almighty god" had saved her, why didn't he prevent the accident in the first place? Or prevent the kid from going out the window? Or have actually carefully placed her on the ground instead of slamming her into it causing the injuries that happenned? This was coming back from church no less! Guess god wasn't satisified with their worship that day. Do they not see how illogical they are?! Oh let me guess, it's god's will, or we can't possibly know god's plan, or god doesn't work that way or... SMACK And don't get me started on women driving SUV's... That's a whole 'nother level of illogical stupidity. lister
Post #146,492 by Nightowl 3/16/04 1:28:52 PM Reply	Well... Oh let me guess, it's god's will, or we can't possibly know god's plan, or god doesn't work that way or... SMACK My guess is that you really don't want an answer to this question. If I'm wrong, let me know and I'll reply. Nightowl >8# "Don't be a cynic and disconsolate preacher. Don't bewail and moan. Omit the negative propositions. Challenge us with incessant affirmatives. Don't waste yourself in rejection, or bark against the bad, but chant the beauty of the good." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Post #146,512 by lister 3/16/04 2:17:36 PM Reply	Try to surprise me lister
Post #146,525 by Nightowl 3/16/04 2:50:33 PM Reply	Okay, here goes. First, I'm a Christian, that's all my faith is called, not Baptist, not Presbyterian, etc. I attended the Fourth Christian Church. I was taught that God does things like let people get hurt for a reason. Sometimes it's to teach the person who got hurt something, i.e. maybe she wasn't wearing her seatbelt, so He's teaching her that she should. Or maybe the parent is the one being taught, because maybe she didn't put the child in the seatbelt. Or maybe it's a different lesson, like maybe the woman should drive better and He wants her to focus more carefully on her driving, or something. I don't always know how this theory works, but I do know that things change after a crisis, people often become more aware of things or sometimes, more afraid, but this makes them more cautious. And things like 9/11, well I wonder sometimes if that didn't happen because He wanted us to wake up to the dangers of Terrorism. I'm not perfect, and I don't even begin to pretend to have all the answers, I'm even struggling in my faith as it is, but that's what we were taught. Nightowl >8# "Don't be a cynic and disconsolate preacher. Don't bewail and moan. Omit the negative propositions. Challenge us with incessant affirmatives. Don't waste yourself in rejection, or bark against the bad, but chant the beauty of the good." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Post #146,549 by lister 3/16/04 4:09:50 PM Reply	Bullshit That's like seeing your kid open the oven door and you turning on a heating element, grabbing their hand and placing it on there. Oh sure they get the message REAL fast but is that the right way to do it? Would you teach your child about the dangers of the stove that way? Or throwing your child into the middle of a lake to teach them about being careful with water? For a god that supposedly loves his creation, he's one mean sadistic bastard. lister
Post #146,569 by boxley 3/16/04 6:38:06 PM Reply	Of course he is, after all he gave toronto the leafs :-) thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #146,577 by mmoffitt 3/16/04 7:00:28 PM Reply	Watch it, Bub. If god doesn't love the Leafs, why is the sky Toronto Maple Leaf blue? bcnu, Mikem I don't do third world languages. So no, I don't do Java.
Post #146,573 by Andrew Grygus 3/16/04 6:46:34 PM Reply	I find it particularly tragic . . . . that so many people who are physically defective or mangled by accident or disease are constantly praising God from their wheelchairs and thanking Him for their daily survival. Hey! If God is omnipotent, omnipresent and all powerful, then He's responsible for all their pain, suffering and disability in the first place. Big Hoot God. Are you folks sure you haven't been sold a bill of goods? You are worshiping the right guy now, right? You're sure now? In my opinion any God that requires worship and gets off on "smiting" is a highly deffective God in the first place and seriously in need of therapy. The whole "one life only and if you screw up it's Hell for all eternity" is a highly unlikely scenario in any case (but gives great power to organized religion). Personally, I think you're all being taken for a ride here. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #146,574 by FuManChu 3/16/04 6:47:50 PM Reply	What lister said Counter-example, from Luke 13: 1 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 Jesus answered, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them -- do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish." ...or perhaps those 18 died to learn a lesson? I highly doubt it. Orthodox Christianity rejects the "God has a reason for everything" myth, preferring instead to say that God has chosen to limit Himself by Creation; that is, a sensible set of natural "laws". He doesn't have to be active in pushing little girls out of windows--they can do that just fine on their own. He doesn't have to decide to "allow" injuries for any reason other than indifference.
Post #146,576 by inthane-chan 3/16/04 7:00:19 PM Reply	Or respect. He doesn't have to decide to "allow" injuries for any reason other than indifference. A sign of respect, from one adult to another, is to trust someone to take care of themselves without second-guessing every move they make. I'm not claiming to see the mind of God, but from what I've read, it seems to me that the God of Christianity is seeking "adult-minded" people. Now, I'll leave the debate about success in that endeavour to other people. "I'll stop calling this crew 'Orwellian' when they stop using 1984 as an operations manual." - J. Bradford DeLong
Post #146,578 by boxley 3/16/04 7:11:40 PM Reply	thats what guardian angels are for or in the gryge's case familiars. thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #146,583 by Andrew Grygus 3/16/04 8:48:51 PM Reply	or in the gryge's case . . . The next collective level of consciousness can be expected to have concern for the lower consciousnesses of which it is composed just as your consciousness is concerned with the well being of the cells of your body and the collections of cells that make up your parts and organs. So there you have your "guardian angel" - but that's not "almighty, all powerfull, all seeing omnipotent, omnipresent, ultimate, one-and-only God" by any means - it's just another small step on the way to God. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #146,587 by boxley 3/16/04 8:52:08 PM Reply	a streamer eh? good, we can always use the variety here. when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #146,647 by deSitter 3/17/04 7:33:16 AM Reply	Right! -drl
Post #146,739 by Ashton 3/17/04 3:58:04 PM Reply	Thou speaketh from the Celestial Orders, Grasshopper. Whose music of the Spheres ever chimeth {flute obligatto by James Galway} As Above So Below yet.. The Lower Cannot See the Higher ..mostly; most often er Cha Cha Cha Love. It.
Post #146,612 by FuManChu 3/16/04 9:45:02 PM Reply	Chapter and verse, O rambling one... ;)
Post #146,615 by boxley 3/16/04 9:52:46 PM Reply	here ya go one each :-) suspect mine is Angel el Carbada a hawking phlemmy one eyed grizzled older angel with wings dragging and a flask in the back pocket of his robe. No evil shall befall you, nor shall affliction come near your tent, for to His Angels God has given command about you, that they guard you in all your ways. Upon their hands they will bear you up, lest you dash your foot against a stone. Psalm 91: 10-12 thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #146,639 by FuManChu 3/17/04 4:00:57 AM Reply	Dashed my foot against many a stone ..somebody's not doing their job if that song you quoted is to be taken literally.
Post #146,652 by boxley 3/17/04 8:14:06 AM Reply	either the bible is true or it aint :-) when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #146,659 by inthane-chan 3/17/04 8:54:26 AM Reply	Define "Truth" for all values of "True" :-)
Post #146,713 by tuberculosis 3/17/04 1:56:18 PM Reply	0 == false, !false == true Truth comes in many forms. From the book of K&R, 2nd Edition, Chapter 1 - Types. The tree of research must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of bean counters. -- Alan Kay
Post #146,721 by ben_tilly 3/17/04 2:21:01 PM Reply	Why VB programmers are depressed VB does not have logical operators, it has bitwise ones. 0 is false, and therefore to make the bitwise operator act like the logical one, the canonical value of true is the bitwise negation of 0, which is -1. But it gets depressing having the truth be negative all the time... Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #146,726 by deSitter 3/17/04 2:43:14 PM Reply	This is correct behavior Having T = -1 is very handy. HP-BASIC has T = -1 as well. -drl
Post #146,737 by Ashton 3/17/04 3:44:05 PM Reply	T negative? I see.. 'niti niti' - (not this.. not this..) ie The proper role for the limited capabilities of the mind, in metaphysical matters is that of negation - Nope, this ain't It.. Nope.. this one sucks . . . Ergo negation of the False may well not 'reveal' the True, but it's an Essential part of the trip --> Towards! .^.. this Negative is a Positive. (One needs special notation here, dunno Sanskrit for QED; it isn't a particularly argumentative language ;-) These observations certified True\ufffd: My UPS just now weathered a 6.66 second power-outage. Power outage?
Post #146,748 by deSitter 3/17/04 4:14:58 PM Reply	The reason The "negation" operation toggles every bit, so the sum of something and its negation gives 1111...1. The is the largest possible integer involving this many digits - add one and the counter clicks over like a maxed-out odometer - and you're back to 0000...0. Conventionally, we call this "-1", the number you add "one" to in order to get "zero". In this scheme truth and falsity are associated with an order - the order is defined by addition and subtraction. In the version where anything non-zero is "true" there is no order, only occupation. -drl
Post #146,754 by Ashton 3/17/04 4:52:18 PM Reply	Perhaps in the world of duality 1-s complement is the free key hidden in Plain Sight.. Never Mind them "7 Seals", the []octave, (or the H line-spectrum on our flying Love-letters -- tryin for a blind-date with other species?) n'other fanciful diversions.. PS - on your 8-digit el cheapo calculator: Quick! (2 seconds or less, to say - no cheating): What's 11111111 x 1.1111111 = ? and its enneagram interaction, all so useful in 'body-type'-space ~ very much like the function of astrological psych archetypes... er :-\ufffd
Post #146,756 by deSitter 3/17/04 4:57:39 PM Reply	easy, 111111110.0 -drl
Post #146,764 by Ashton 3/17/04 5:09:27 PM Reply	Utterly {sob} terrifically insouciantly Wrong___Alas :(
Post #146,766 by deSitter 3/17/04 5:13:30 PM Reply	it's floating point, what do you expect? -drl
Post #146,805 by Ashton 3/17/04 6:21:41 PM Reply	Spec'd instrument: 4-banger calculator, 8-digit display RTPI
Post #146,809 by deSitter 3/17/04 6:26:34 PM Reply	real time performance indicator? i.e. electronic gauge? -drl
Post #146,814 by Another Scott 3/17/04 6:37:23 PM Reply	I think those things have nixies... ;-)
Post #146,833 by deSitter 3/17/04 7:52:57 PM Reply	sigh nostalgia for a big honkin' desk calculator with 16 -drl
Post #146,858 by pwhysall 3/18/04 1:42:21 AM Reply	HP42S, cold dead hands, etc. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,866 by deSitter 3/18/04 1:55:12 AM Reply	Well it's a different thing With a desk calculator you programmed your fingers to do repetitive calculations. I could whip out a square root on a 4-banger like that. It was fun watching the numbers converge in a manual calculation. You could trace the 10 numerals inside the tube - it was very beautiful and delicate and each of 10 distinct numerals could be lighted without pixellation. [image\|http://www.classiccmp.org/calcmuseum/CanonL163.jpg\|\|\|\|] [image\|http://www.classiccmp.org/calcmuseum/Monroe1610.jpg\|\|\|\|] I worked with one of these: [image\|http://www.classiccmp.org/calcmuseum/HP9821.jpg\|\|\|\|] HP9821 Desktop Calculator with paper tape and cassette storage Nixies in Russian calculators: [link\|http://www.taswegian.com/MOSCOW/display.html\|http://www.taswegian...SCOW/display.html] -drl
Post #146,870 by pwhysall 3/18/04 2:05:47 AM Reply	Dude. I've barely got space on my desk for the 42S. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,873 by deSitter 3/18/04 2:09:00 AM Reply	the desk is an option These things were used a lot in labs. Usually an entire counter was holding it up. When the nixie tubes got a little older they started flickering, which could be annoying. But one would never display the wrong number. A fault in one anode disabled all the digits. Then you replaced the bad digit. -drl
Post #146,882 by Meerkat 3/18/04 5:28:30 AM Reply	Speaking of Nixie tubes [link\|http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/nixiegallery.html\|The Nixie Clock Gallery]. If ever I have enough money to waste, I am so getting one... John. Busy lad.
Post #146,883 by deSitter 3/18/04 5:33:03 AM Reply	I want one -drl
Post #146,884 by deSitter 3/18/04 5:35:45 AM 3/18/04 5:45:39 AM Reply	Project pages [link\|http://www.spettel.de/ralf/projekte/nixieclock/\|http://www.spettel.d...jekte/nixieclock/] [link\|http://www.amug.org/~jthomas/clockwork.html\|http://www.amug.org/...as/clockwork.html] -drl Edited by deSitter March 18, 2004, 05:45:39 AM EST Expand All History
Post #146,886 by pwhysall 3/18/04 7:13:07 AM Reply	Git [image\|http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/nixieg3.jpg\|\|Stop using Lynx, you incorrigible geek\|\|] How can I not want, beyond all reason, one of these? Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,896 by drewk 3/18/04 9:11:15 AM Reply	Absolute most bestest part of that one Look at the wheels for the year. "Bah, they're going to have a y10k issue with that one." === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #146,903 by pwhysall 3/18/04 9:58:09 AM Reply	Wonder if it does leap years properly? Bet it does, you know. It's bloody beautiful. But then, I think computers should look like they do in Brazil. (the film, not the country). Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,929 by a6l6e6x 3/18/04 1:36:19 PM Reply	Nixie tubes and a small world. [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixie_tube\|Nixie tubes] were developed by Burroughs Corp. As a college student in 1960, I had a summer job with Burroughs at their Paoli, PA site. Nothing to do with nixie tubes. [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burroughs_Corporation\|Burroughs Corp.] strated it's life in St. Louis, where DeSitter sits, in 1886 as American Arithmometer Company. Burroughs merged with Sperry to form Unisys. Alex Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom ... the argument of tyrants ... the creed of slaves. -- William Pitt, addressing the British House of Commons (1783)
Post #146,732 by Ashton 3/17/04 3:16:50 PM Reply	Angels I have heard on High {There in metaphoric sky} Seem to dream just like their lesser Mom always liked YOU better...
Post #146,757 by a6l6e6x 3/17/04 5:00:30 PM Reply	"Tell us to go out and buy!" [link\|http://members.aol.com/quentncree/lehrer/xmas.htm\|Tom Lehrer's] A Christmas Carol. Alex Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom ... the argument of tyrants ... the creed of slaves. -- William Pitt, addressing the British House of Commons (1783)
Post #146,806 by Ashton 3/17/04 6:24:28 PM Reply	"So, let the raucous sleighbells jingle," Stuff your face with tins of Pringles (V1.01 for '04)
Post #146,628 by Ashton 3/16/04 11:59:02 PM Reply	"I contend we are both atheists I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." via 'Mike'
Post #146,500 by pwhysall 3/16/04 1:40:25 PM Reply	Re: Girl survives 14m fall, god is reason And don't get me started on women driving SUV's... That's a whole 'nother level of illogical stupidity. s/women// Stupid, uncomfortable, not-nice-to-drive, slow, uneconomical, noisy, unsafe, ugly, lumbering crappy pieces of shit. I hate them. They're pointless. (And if they're being driven because "you have better visibility" why do they have those stupid extra mirrors on them? That's right, because you can't see SHIT out of the windows.) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,507 by Andrew Grygus 3/16/04 2:06:17 PM Reply	Not at all pointless . . . . they point out and identify people who are self centered, selfish and stupid. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #146,511 by lister 3/16/04 2:16:42 PM Reply	I agree I hate SUV's and minivans for all those reasons but add women to the mix and that makes them even more worse. lister
Post #146,519 by Arkadiy 3/16/04 2:33:04 PM Reply	Minivans do have a purpose Transporting more than 5 people in a car is stupid. Minivan is a must for large families. -- ...what happened to intelligence of this country? -- Sen. Kerry.
Post #146,527 by pwhysall 3/16/04 2:56:27 PM Reply	No. Sell the excess children for medical experiments. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,533 by drewk 3/16/04 3:07:58 PM Reply	Naah Medical experimentation has a faster ROI, but slavery can keep the money rolling in for years. === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #146,537 by pwhysall 3/16/04 3:17:02 PM Reply	It's all about the next quarter. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,541 by drewk 3/16/04 3:42:14 PM Reply	Criminy ... from a BOFH to a lUser to a PHB === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #146,542 by boxley 3/16/04 3:42:33 PM Reply	rather drive a stationwagon, another thing to thank the dems for. CAF retired station wagons and gave us the minivan. A latemodel roadmaster was a joy to tool around in. thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #146,544 by drewk 3/16/04 3:51:42 PM Reply	What I'd love to see Remember in the mid-90s when they turned the Caprice police pursuit model into the Impala with some cosmetic changes and aluminum wheels? Imagine an Impla version of the Caprice wagon ... shades of the '57 Nomad. === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #146,548 by Steve Lowe 3/16/04 4:05:58 PM Reply	OK [link\|http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/photos,photogal,prototype.spy?artid=20860&make=Chevrolet&lng=en\|http://www.auto123.c...=Chevrolet&lng=en] not quite the 90's Impala your envisioning, but the Nomad is back in at least concept form. Looks like a cross between a 53 vette, a mid 70s El Camino and a hatchback.... ----- Steve
Post #146,772 by tuberculosis 3/17/04 5:22:10 PM Reply	Paint it Black and use it for the next remake of Harold and Maude The tree of research must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of bean counters. -- Alan Kay
Post #146,773 by deSitter 3/17/04 5:25:51 PM Reply	looks like a bar of soap -drl
Post #146,777 by pwhysall 3/17/04 5:34:22 PM Reply	Further proof that merkins can't design cars Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,779 by deSitter 3/17/04 5:37:45 PM Reply	The Mustang SVT is nice also the Thunderbird. 50k for a convertible - too much. I think I saw a design for the next Mustang, and it was rockin'. -drl
Post #146,780 by pwhysall 3/17/04 5:39:57 PM Reply	It's a Ford Mondeo. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,785 by deSitter 3/17/04 5:45:06 PM Reply	Eh? Not so's you'd notice -drl
Post #146,789 by pwhysall 3/17/04 5:51:13 PM Reply	Tis too. (new thread) Created as new thread #146788 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=146788\|Tis too.] Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,547 by admin 3/16/04 4:05:16 PM Reply	Exactly. Or even small families. We bought our minivan because the Taurus simply couldn't carry all the crap we needed to haul around on trips with a child. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #146,550 by pwhysall 3/16/04 4:15:33 PM Reply	Sell crap + kids on eBay. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,567 by boxley 3/16/04 6:33:29 PM Reply	so when yer clapped out n on the dole whose kids ed zachary do you plan on supporting you? thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #146,636 by pwhysall 3/17/04 2:02:36 AM Reply	I was going to steal yours. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,641 by Andrew Grygus 3/17/04 6:09:04 AM Reply	Oh, how quaint. Someone who still thinks his kids will support him in old age. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #146,653 by boxley 3/17/04 8:15:16 AM Reply	between them and the mexicans paying into Social Security we need a lot more kids and mexicans. thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #146,553 by lister 3/16/04 4:19:50 PM Reply	Get rid of the tinted windows So I can see ahead of you and for fucks sake get out of the passing lane unless you are passing! lister
Post #146,699 by Arkadiy 3/17/04 12:17:11 PM Reply	My family is 5, so I get by with a car :) Tinted windows are standard on minivans because the area of glass is so large, w/o tint it would be a baking oven in the sun. And for the passing line... I think that any vehicle under truck fuel efficiency rules should have truck's road use rules applied to it. No driving in right lane, lower speed limits, no use of parkways. That would work a treat on fuel economy! -- ...what happened to intelligence of this country? -- Sen. Kerry.
Post #146,702 by drewk 3/17/04 12:27:11 PM Reply	Exactly I think that any vehicle under truck fuel efficiency rules should have truck's road use rules applied to it. "No ma'am, I'm sorry. You can't drive your SUV into the school drop-off lane. See the sign? No trucks allowed." I'd pay to be the one who gets to tell them that. === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #146,742 by Ashton 3/17/04 4:01:55 PM Reply	:-)____:-)
Post #146,546 by admin 3/16/04 4:01:03 PM Reply	Not this again. SUVs are pointless for most people. People who live on ranches, like my father, need them. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #146,551 by lister 3/16/04 4:15:47 PM Reply	Small minority I have to begrudgingly agree that there are some people, a small group of people, that do actually have a need for vehicles like SUVs and pickup trucks. I have a friend with a pickup truck that he actually puts to real use. I have other friends who have SUVs and pickups trucks that are posers. One tweak they could make to minivans that would lessen my objecture to them is to get rid of the tinted windows. I'm one of those people that likes to see what is ahead of the idiot in front of me. lister
Post #146,552 by pwhysall 3/16/04 4:18:59 PM Reply	Not a SUV, a proper 4x4. SUVs, by and large, are shit at offroading. One of the SUV-owners at work (don't recall which model - might have been a Jeep) discovered that (1) the tyres have sod all grip in mud (2) there's bugger-all torque (3) having your expensive SUV pulled back onto the road by a 30-year-old tractor driven by a cackling farmhand and his mates is embarrassing (4) The bloody paint comes off very easily. Now a Landrover Defender, that's yer actual offroad vehicle. Draughty, uncomfortable, no stereo, no A/C (take the lid off :)) but holy hell does it go where no poncemobile dares. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #146,554 by drewk 3/16/04 4:28:25 PM Reply	Gimme a Unimog === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #146,566 by Andrew Grygus 3/16/04 6:28:52 PM Reply	Oh yes, in particular . . . . there is a need for the Mercedes, Cadillac, Lexus (and would you believe Porche?) SUVs that swarm around here. These are very practical vehicles priced just right for the average rancher or cowhand. The typical SUV around here is a big luxury model driven slow and erratically by a small woman holding a cell phone to her ear (apparently a permanent condition), and has no other occupants. It would NEVER be taken off the pavement for fear it might get dusty. Between 2:30 and 4:00 on school days they positively swarm, slowing traffic to a crawl. Every once in a while two of them try to mate, causing an even greater traffic disruption, their drivers milling around in the street still holding cell phones to their ears. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #146,568 by boxley 3/16/04 6:36:50 PM Reply	whats worse than a woman in an SUV with a cell phone an Italian woman behind the wheel with a cell phone. Watch them from my perch on the bus, ciggy in hand waving wildly about, cell jammed in ear with a death grip and a slight wheel correction every three or 4 car lengths at 50mph. thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #146,572 by ben_tilly 3/16/04 6:41:59 PM Reply	ICLRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #146571 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=146571\|ICLRPD] "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]

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