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Post #145,187

by deSitter

3/10/04 12:42:13 AM

Not in the current context

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Let's translate from 18th to 21st century English:

Congress will not enact laws having the following purposes; to favor a particular religion, or to prohibit religious practice; to restrict free speech or the free reporting of news; to inhibit the right of people to gather together peaceably for any purpose; or to call on the Government to take corrective action in case these rights are violated.

It is not language that is at fault - it is the spirit of those who read not for understanding, but for personal advantage.

-drl

Post #145,259

by orion

3/10/04 11:39:23 AM

Your interpritation

tends to make more sense.

Congress will not enact laws having the following purposes; to favor a particular religion, or to prohibit religious practice; to restrict free speech or the free reporting of news; to inhibit the right of people to gather together peaceably for any purpose; or to call on the Government to take corrective action in case these rights are violated.

Now then, please show me where Congress made a law that violated that recently. Also explain how it can apply to a court judge when it clearly states "Congress will not..." and not "The Government will not..." do those sort of things.

It is not language that is at fault - it is the spirit of those who read not for understanding, but for personal advantage.

I am trying to understand it, thanks to your translation it makes better sense now. I am confused by the "Congress will not..." part and how it applies to other parts of the government.

"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

I am trying to understand seperation of church and state - (orion) - (106) - March 9, 2004, 02:40:33 AM EST

Your religion must be dead for 1000 years - (altmann) - March 9, 2004, 03:22:47 AM EST

You found it. - (inthane-chan) - (67) - March 9, 2004, 09:28:29 AM EST

a few nits - (danreck) - March 9, 2004, 10:46:04 PM EST

Aw, what the hell... - (danreck) - (65) - March 9, 2004, 10:51:26 PM EST

How I read it - (orion) - (64) - March 10, 2004, 12:07:49 AM EST

You also have to look up the 14th amendment - (ChrisR) - (9) - March 10, 2004, 12:59:52 AM EST

Thanks for that - (orion) - (8) - March 10, 2004, 11:43:10 AM EST

Religious freedom is an individual's right... - (ChrisR) - (7) - March 10, 2004, 12:27:22 PM EST

The way I see it - (orion) - (6) - March 10, 2004, 01:11:26 PM EST

Getting off into gay marriages? - (ChrisR) - (5) - March 10, 2004, 01:24:02 PM EST

Sorry I brought it up - (orion) - (4) - March 10, 2004, 07:07:34 PM EST

Why did the blood tests go away? - (ben_tilly) - (3) - March 10, 2004, 07:26:28 PM EST

Test have not gone away everywhere and it is not because of - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - March 10, 2004, 08:06:35 PM EST

That link didn't work in mozilla :-( - (ben_tilly) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 08:34:15 PM EST

I had the same problem w/Moz. - (a6l6e6x) - March 10, 2004, 08:41:47 PM EST

This is why the law applies - (JayMehaffey) - (4) - March 10, 2004, 01:40:02 AM EST

Court rooms - (orion) - (3) - March 10, 2004, 11:45:27 AM EST

The legislature enacts the laws, - (ChrisR) - (2) - March 10, 2004, 12:32:41 PM EST

Still more questions - (orion) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 01:17:07 PM EST

Re: Still more questions - (JayMehaffey) - March 10, 2004, 03:09:19 PM EST

The phrase you are looking for verbatim - (Ashton) - (2) - March 10, 2004, 02:33:36 AM EST

Sort of "read between the lines" - (orion) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 11:47:14 AM EST

NO.. - (Ashton) - March 10, 2004, 07:30:14 PM EST

I think you are reading it quite accurately... - (danreck) - March 10, 2004, 11:13:49 AM EST

You could speculate or... - (ben_tilly) - (44) - March 10, 2004, 11:19:56 AM EST

Causes even more confusion - (orion) - (43) - March 10, 2004, 12:05:14 PM EST

Secular isn't vague. - (pwhysall) - (33) - March 10, 2004, 12:13:39 PM EST

By that reasoning then... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - March 10, 2004, 12:30:00 PM EST

I didn't reason at all. - (pwhysall) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 01:04:57 PM EST

Do try to keep up, willya? - (ben_tilly) - March 10, 2004, 02:35:11 PM EST

Not what the dictionary says - (orion) - (29) - March 10, 2004, 12:31:19 PM EST

Oh yes it is. - (pwhysall) - (28) - March 10, 2004, 01:03:02 PM EST

That's not a proper Engrish dictionary - (ChrisR) - (27) - March 10, 2004, 01:04:14 PM EST

Which is in which country (hint hint)? -NT - (pwhysall) - (26) - March 10, 2004, 01:05:13 PM EST

United Kingdom? -NT - (ChrisR) - (24) - March 10, 2004, 01:08:32 PM EST

"United Kingdom of A, B, C and D E" - (pwhysall) - (23) - March 10, 2004, 01:10:53 PM EST

Araq? -NT - (ChrisR) - (3) - March 10, 2004, 01:35:08 PM EST

/me pulls the IFS lever. -NT - (pwhysall) - March 10, 2004, 01:39:03 PM EST

Beeria, Crikey, Disrael, and Effinghanistan -NT - (deSitter) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 01:42:27 PM EST

You've won a free IFS! -NT - (pwhysall) - March 10, 2004, 01:42:53 PM EST

Anglos, Berbers, Chinese and Damned Europeans? -NT - (Silverlock) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 01:43:22 PM EST

My IFS machine is busy tonight... -NT - (pwhysall) - March 10, 2004, 01:44:41 PM EST

Arrogant Bastards with Crappy Dictionary Examples? -NT - (admin) - (14) - March 10, 2004, 01:52:36 PM EST

STAB! -NT - (pwhysall) - (13) - March 10, 2004, 02:03:58 PM EST

Ah... - (admin) - (12) - March 10, 2004, 02:09:36 PM EST

Administrative Boofheads Continually Defy Elegance -NT - (pwhysall) - (11) - March 10, 2004, 02:29:15 PM EST

WOBAFGKMRNS - (deSitter) - (10) - March 10, 2004, 04:16:37 PM EST

Re: WOBAFGKMNRS - (admin) - (9) - March 10, 2004, 03:01:32 PM EST

you get a gold star -NT - (deSitter) - (8) - March 10, 2004, 03:53:46 PM EST

Not much of a stretch. - (admin) - (7) - March 10, 2004, 03:56:42 PM EST

hmm go back? exciting times for astronomy -NT - (deSitter) - (6) - March 10, 2004, 04:15:58 PM EST

Two reasons: - (admin) - (5) - March 10, 2004, 04:24:46 PM EST

Sheeat - (deSitter) - (4) - March 10, 2004, 04:30:30 PM EST

Or Scott could just get his son to teach him... -NT - (inthane-chan) - (2) - March 10, 2004, 04:34:38 PM EST

I'm sure Scott can handle it - (deSitter) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 04:38:00 PM EST

joke == missed. :D -NT - (inthane-chan) - March 10, 2004, 04:38:53 PM EST

You make an assumption... - (admin) - March 10, 2004, 05:05:30 PM EST

Without googling - (ben_tilly) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 03:02:51 PM EST

You are correct! - (pwhysall) - March 10, 2004, 03:05:26 PM EST

In which country is the law in question being examined? - (orion) - March 10, 2004, 01:20:47 PM EST

The Bottom line.. - (deSitter) - (3) - March 10, 2004, 12:20:45 PM EST

The footnotes to the bottom line... - (danreck) - (2) - March 10, 2004, 01:48:16 PM EST

Re: The footnotes to the bottom line... - (deSitter) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 02:05:39 PM EST

Jefferson is spinning like a rotisserie chicken in his grave - (danreck) - March 10, 2004, 02:43:25 PM EST

I didn't say that it was simple - (ben_tilly) - March 10, 2004, 12:27:31 PM EST

Makes me wonder... - (Nightowl) - (3) - March 10, 2004, 02:08:37 PM EST

They don't make you - (ben_tilly) - (2) - March 10, 2004, 02:49:19 PM EST

True, but what I really meant - (Nightowl) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 02:53:01 PM EST

Well, apply the Lemon test - (ben_tilly) - March 10, 2004, 03:16:31 PM EST

It started with the Roman Empire. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - March 9, 2004, 09:48:21 AM EST

A fallacy in your argument - (orion) - March 10, 2004, 12:16:53 AM EST

funny you should ask - (rcareaga) - (12) - March 9, 2004, 10:16:06 AM EST

in one area of the article, only half is revealed - (boxley) - (7) - March 9, 2004, 10:21:08 AM EST

and this "agriculture" stuff - (rcareaga) - (1) - March 9, 2004, 10:31:35 AM EST

You know, if you have to choose... - (ben_tilly) - March 9, 2004, 02:02:20 PM EST

Actually, less than half is revealed - (jb4) - (3) - March 9, 2004, 01:49:14 PM EST

China is far more advanced in this area. - (a6l6e6x) - March 9, 2004, 07:40:36 PM EST

When I was there - (lincoln) - (1) - March 9, 2004, 11:43:40 PM EST

The problem is an expired contract... - (jb4) - March 10, 2004, 12:31:24 PM EST

Bought/sold :-0___ you mean like IT workers? -NT - (Ashton) - March 9, 2004, 07:25:35 PM EST

bRandishment - (Ashton) - (3) - March 9, 2004, 08:02:37 PM EST

for every blowdried3piecesuitlimoowning preacher - (boxley) - (2) - March 9, 2004, 09:39:41 PM EST

And those sammich-handing-out ones remain silent as - (Ashton) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 02:51:19 AM EST

nope, in their view meek get sh*t -NT - (boxley) - March 10, 2004, 08:24:51 AM EST

Look no further than the first phrase of the first amendment - (ChrisR) - March 9, 2004, 10:29:10 AM EST

Re: I am trying to understand seperation of church and state - (JayMehaffey) - March 9, 2004, 03:08:14 PM EST

Also a key point that nobody else is pointing out... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - March 9, 2004, 07:56:37 PM EST

The effect is nonlinear - - (Ashton) - March 9, 2004, 08:31:18 PM EST

It goes back to Jefferson. - (Another Scott) - (9) - March 9, 2004, 03:26:24 PM EST

Which goes back to the pilgrims, IIRC - (Steve Lowe) - (2) - March 9, 2004, 05:49:50 PM EST

Right - (deSitter) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 01:01:11 AM EST

Interesting sidenote - (deSitter) - March 10, 2004, 01:22:01 AM EST

Vauge language - (orion) - (5) - March 10, 2004, 12:21:37 AM EST

Um, all speech and writing is subject to interpretation. - (Another Scott) - (2) - March 10, 2004, 12:28:19 AM EST

You b*3tard... - (danreck) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 01:59:04 PM EST

Not meant to cause offense. - (Another Scott) - March 10, 2004, 10:41:59 PM EST

Not in the current context - (deSitter) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 12:42:13 AM EST

Your interpritation - (orion) - March 10, 2004, 11:39:23 AM EST

Can't take the time for an appropriate clue bashfest - (Silverlock) - (2) - March 9, 2004, 05:21:14 PM EST

If you cannot answer the question - (orion) - (1) - March 10, 2004, 12:36:42 AM EST

I'm not sure what your question actually is. - (Silverlock) - March 14, 2004, 08:14:34 AM EST

sepArate <<<_______grating, that___over and over and___ -NT - (Ashton) - (4) - March 9, 2004, 07:18:14 PM EST

Perhaps that explains why the search came up empty? -NT - (ChrisR) - (3) - March 9, 2004, 09:12:49 PM EST

16,300 hits in Google. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - March 9, 2004, 10:47:28 PM EST

Did you mean: separation of church and state? - (ChrisR) - (1) - March 9, 2004, 10:53:23 PM EST

Yup. ;-) - (Another Scott) - March 9, 2004, 11:01:04 PM EST

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