Post #143,320
2/25/04 6:08:10 PM
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What kind of immigrants do we want?
This nation was built by immigrants. People willing to undertake a hazardous ocean voyage in the hope of a better life. It's precisely this sort of character that made our nation great. Not H1-B guests. Not illegal migrant workers from Mexico. Not Brazilians looking to make a quick buck or two and then head home.
What made our country great is precisely the sort of immigrant our government is now turning away. These are people of great personal courage, initiative and desperation sailing in ancient pickup trucks from Cuba. And now they may come from Haiti, but already our government is saying they won't be admitted. Sorry, but I'm not on board with that.
Yes, they'll strain our social services, and maybe take away jobs from American citizens. But so will the ones Bush is letting in. At least these ones will be worth it. They'll make good Americans.
These aren't ordinary Cubans and Haitians. These are a select group of the very best. The smartest and the toughest and the most motivated.
No one else would even make it to our shores by their own efforts.
I say let them in. They'll have earned it.
And kick out the others.
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"If I may be candid for a moment, and let's see you try to stop me..." - Jay Conrad Levinson
Compromise is for suckers. Seeking a middle ground is what led to 9/11.
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Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
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Post #143,332
2/25/04 6:25:33 PM
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agreed, what city are you in we can locate them there
that seems to be the dificulties with refugees striving against impossible odds to get here.
thanx,
bill
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Post #143,357
2/25/04 8:08:55 PM
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Re: What kind of immigrants do we want?
[link|http://www.caribvoice.org/Features/haitiangangs.html|Haitian Gangs] in Miami and you want more?
Alex
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom ... the argument of tyrants ... the creed of slaves. -- William Pitt, addressing the British House of Commons (1783)
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Post #143,373
2/25/04 9:41:02 PM
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thats why we have the second ammendment (longish reply)
all in migrations of refugees have a large criminal element in the initial waves as the criminals are always recognised as enemies of the home state and usually have connections or means to escape. Usually immigrants who are escaping a totalitarian regime are afraid of US governmental representatives out of fear of repatriation. Also the general populace isolates the newly arrived by either ripping them off legally or ostrazing the latest group and forcing them to work harder and cheaper for employers in industry where cheap labor is the razor thin profit margin. Fast food, landscaping etc.
Look at every wave of immegrants here, Irish "gangs of NYC" Italians, the black hand(mafia). Jews, Murder Incorporated. Its not until the second or third generation that realizes that this shit is intolerable and gets the fuck out of whatever ghetto they start in and pretends to be from somewhere else. After the third wave, middle class not many roots to home. working 2 or 3 jobs to be able to afford the "dream" that the 4th generation looking for a meaning to life discover gangsterism again and revel in the hedonism afforded by that. Why white kids in middle class america listen to rap and wear baggy clothes and rob 7 11's for chump change, where yuppie kids in NYC go "wilding" etc.
Its a cycle that will rince wash repeat.
thanx.
bill
when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino
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Post #143,374
2/25/04 9:45:11 PM
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Think again.
Miller, 1938. Look it up.
Amendment 2 does not speak to private ownership - even the Rehnquist Five realize that.
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #143,378
2/25/04 9:51:18 PM
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Miller is as wrong as dredd scott, look that up
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Post #143,439
2/26/04 10:10:26 AM
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Miller cited twice as precedent.
To
1) Take firearms away from convicts and
2) Assault rifle ban.
The trend is not to reverse Miller. Among lawyers and judges, there is no doubt that Amendment 2 is silent on private ownership.
bcnu,
Mikem
I don't do third world languages. So no, I don't do Java.
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Post #143,443
2/26/04 10:19:43 AM
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dred scott has been cited more than twice
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Post #143,384
2/25/04 10:09:30 PM
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I don't disagree with what you say.
The idea was to counter marlowe's "hard working entrepreneurs" BS. More than most places, Haiti and rule of law are strangers.
Alex
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom ... the argument of tyrants ... the creed of slaves. -- William Pitt, addressing the British House of Commons (1783)
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Post #143,393
2/25/04 11:54:32 PM
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depends on which side of law and order you started under
Me during the 60's a lot of guilt was directed at jews in America, why didnt you stand up during bla bla bla.. I replied with Bugsey Siegel and Murder Inc as being an American Jewish Organization that didnt take shit and sorta patterned my life after their dont take shit attitude. The Israeli's actually have to live there, they are the heroes or scapegoats and history will write the winners version. In America in the undertow of society, day labor, low level jobs and and the "ham n eggers" Jews are considered whiners and when the couldnt explain why they considered jews in charge of the world but wouldnt fight. I always mentioned bugsey siegel as head of murder inc, defied them for an adress to get my check as all jews were involved in running the world and offered to fuck their daughters if they thought we were all pussies. Got in a lot of fights but also got in lot of white/hispanic drawers so guess we are even.
thanx,
bill
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Post #143,364
2/25/04 9:12:46 PM
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Dunno. Where were your people from? We have enough of those.
bcnu,
Mikem
I don't do third world languages. So no, I don't do Java.
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Post #144,203
3/3/04 9:44:03 AM
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Oh, don't be such a racist.
We're talking about exceptional *individuals* here. That may be hard for a Leftist to grasp, what with that ideology that says there's only classes and masses. But do try to wrap your head around it. Otherwise you will never grasp what America is about.
Some of my ancestors oppressed others of my ancestors. And vice versa. Some of my ancestors had it coming. Some of them didn't. My ancestors are a mixed bag. That's their problem. *I* am a survivor, a respecter of virtue wherever I find it, and a despiser of sentimentality and falsehood wherever I find it.
Haiti is the worst imaginable soil for democracy and individual dignity. But even Haiti is no worse off for the attempt. They've been at or near rock bottom for centuries. In fact, it's hard to find a case that's worse than breakeven. Allende's Chile, maybe. Oh, and Hitler was democratically elected, sort of, in a roundabout way.
It's alleged that Aristide was escorted out at gunpoint by American troops. If I had given that order, I wouldn't be denying it. I'd be bragging about it. Only a thug-loving appeasenik like Kerry would take offense at the idea. Prediction: if Dubya wins re-election, Philippe will be a non-problem, and the rule of law - such as it ever existed in Haiti - will be restored. Otherwise, not.
Democratize the world. Free every individual we can, and teach them all to value and preserve that freedom, each for himself and for others. Whatever happens, it can't be worse than the status quo.
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DEAL WITH IT.
"YAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!" - Howard Dean
"How can I go to the bathroom when my people are in bondage?" - Saddam Hussein
"If I may be candid for a moment, and let's see you try to stop me..." - Jay Conrad Levinson
Compromise is for suckers. Seeking a middle ground is what led to 9/11.
"I do not want to be admired by scumbags and liars and wife beaters. I want to be admired by good and decent, intelligent and just people, and in order to achieve this I need to do things that make me despised by their opposites." - Bill Whittle
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
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Post #144,204
3/3/04 9:52:35 AM
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So... How was the weekend?
Any progress on your quest to get laid?
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