I think Rove has it measured out

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Post #143,121

2/24/04 8:23:13 PM

I think Rove has it measured out

I think Rove has Bush's posistion carefully measured out here. It's carefully calculated so that Bush can play the conservative moderate role, arguing against Gay Marriage while being able to say he has nothing against gay people.

Rather like the people who, until recently, said they had nothing against black people, but that black/white marriage was racially unsound and against God's will.

But I suspect it will play well in the press, because the posistion Bush has staked out is designed to blend with the majority of Americans. The majority of Americans support legal rights for gay couples, but get uncertain when the marriage word is used.

Jay

Post #143,125

by Another Scott

2/24/04 8:34:44 PM

The latest poll numbers.

[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/vault/stories/data022404.html|WashPost-ABC]:

3. (Would you support amending the U.S. Constitution to make it\nillegal for homosexual couples to get married anywhere in the U.S.), or\n(should each state make its own laws on homosexual marriage)? Do you feel\nthat way strongly or somewhat?\n\n \tSupport amend (net)\n                    Strongly Somewhat\n                                  Each state own (net)\n                                            Strongly Somewhat No opinion\n2/22/04 \t46 \t38 \t8 \t45 \t31 \t15 \t9\n1/18/04 \t38 \tna \tna \t58 \tna \tna \t3

(Sorry about the formatting)

That's a pretty big swing in a month. I think that indicates that, on the amendment question, that people are still deciding what they think.

My hope is that the longer this is debated, the more people will realize that the Consitution isn't the place for this issue to be decided. But it only takes one advocate to swing the debate (look at what the press did with Dean's yell...)

Most still do oppose gay marriage according to the poll.

Cheers,
Scott.

Bush says he wants a Constitutional Amendment to ... - (Another Scott) - (39) - Feb. 24, 2004, 07:41:23 PM EST

A good letter to the editor. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 24, 2004, 08:17:49 PM EST

I think Rove has it measured out - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2004, 08:23:13 PM EST

The latest poll numbers. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 24, 2004, 08:34:44 PM EST

yeah put it in the constitution - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2004, 09:20:34 PM EST

"Gay married illegal aliens in the Army - you decide!" -NT - (deSitter) - Feb. 24, 2004, 09:24:09 PM EST

Oh c'mon.. - (Silverlock) - (23) - Feb. 24, 2004, 10:29:24 PM EST

38 -NT - (admin) - Feb. 24, 2004, 11:18:30 PM EST

Sure. - (Another Scott) - (8) - Feb. 24, 2004, 11:25:41 PM EST

ERA got me in trouble in college. - (mmoffitt) - (7) - Feb. 25, 2004, 12:05:25 PM EST

Dude, you're my f**king hero! - (deSitter) - Feb. 25, 2004, 12:16:19 PM EST

ah, the ERA... - (rcareaga) - (4) - Feb. 25, 2004, 12:47:06 PM EST

What about poo-munching and golden showers? -NT - (deSitter) - (2) - Feb. 25, 2004, 01:20:39 PM EST

..he says as half of IWETHEY sits down to lunch... -NT - (Steve Lowe) - Feb. 25, 2004, 01:23:13 PM EST

Re: What about poo-munching and golden showers? - (rcareaga) - Feb. 25, 2004, 02:28:43 PM EST

? the Earned Run Average got to do with the constitution? -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 25, 2004, 03:28:29 PM EST

What DeSitter said! -NT - (jb4) - Feb. 25, 2004, 12:55:31 PM EST

I don't get the objections to the whole concept - (tuberculosis) - (12) - Feb. 25, 2004, 01:50:07 PM EST

Agree, but there are "public" implications. - (mmoffitt) - (8) - Feb. 25, 2004, 05:16:54 PM EST

Well, hell, if THAT'S all you're worried about - (jb4) - (7) - Feb. 25, 2004, 06:02:11 PM EST

But they don't have to outlive them! - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Feb. 25, 2004, 09:17:54 PM EST

making sure I dont have a problem with that - (boxley) - (5) - Feb. 25, 2004, 09:50:32 PM EST

Well if *that's* up for discussion ... - (drewk) - (2) - Feb. 25, 2004, 10:51:19 PM EST

Someone here mentioned that life expectancy ... - (Another Scott) - Feb. 25, 2004, 11:23:29 PM EST

now what about equal rights!!!! - (boxley) - Feb. 25, 2004, 11:39:54 PM EST

Quit whining. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 26, 2004, 10:39:42 AM EST

I believe you are ignoring the time value of money. - (a6l6e6x) - Feb. 26, 2004, 12:25:42 PM EST

Oh, YES IT DOES!!! - (jb4) - (1) - Feb. 25, 2004, 05:59:53 PM EST

which one? 457 of em around here - (boxley) - Feb. 25, 2004, 06:26:51 PM EST

Article that sez the same - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 26, 2004, 12:09:19 PM EST

Re: That was on news here in Oz - says Bush may be on a - (dmarker) - (1) - Feb. 25, 2004, 03:03:58 AM EST

Re: That was on news here in Oz - says Bush may be on a - (deSitter) - Feb. 25, 2004, 03:10:44 AM EST

Voice of the WHAT?!? - (jb4) - (6) - Feb. 25, 2004, 12:27:22 PM EST

More than that! - (deSitter) - Feb. 25, 2004, 12:26:14 PM EST

thats a major flaw of democracy - (boxley) - (4) - Feb. 25, 2004, 12:37:13 PM EST

The USA isn't a democracy, Bill - (lincoln) - (3) - Feb. 25, 2004, 05:15:53 PM EST

I know it is a Republic and the dems - (boxley) - (2) - Feb. 25, 2004, 06:29:20 PM EST

That old chestnut? - (Silverlock) - (1) - Feb. 25, 2004, 07:08:55 PM EST

horse chestnut backatcha - (boxley) - Feb. 25, 2004, 07:15:44 PM EST

The 2/28 Economist's take. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 28, 2004, 05:19:43 PM EST

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